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Re: FDA grants authorization to Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by roody15 »

maxerickson wrote: post #10
roody15 wrote: post #8

Hmm super expensive hard to transport Pfizer vaccine ... first to be approved. Next Moderna ... also super expensive second to be approved. After six months to a year ... and after making huge profits.... Then the AstraZeneca/Russian vaccine variants will be “found” to be also effective. We must first wait and let Pfizer make a few billion !!!

It's $40, not super expensive. 600 million doses would cost $25 billion, a trifle compared to how much the pandemic is costing.

Astrazeneca believes their vaccine may soon be less than 1$ per dose.

If we are serious about vaccination worldwide and quickly ... then this should already be approved IMO

Re: FDA grants authorization to Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

mchusma wrote: post #2

If they stopped banning Astrazeneca too, and stopped vaccinating people who already had COVID, we could be done within 60 days. Astrazeneca is well above the FDAs original safety and efficacy guidance and something I'd be glad to take and give my family.

Nothing is "banned".

AZ accidentally ran their first trial with only half the intended dose. For some reason, this turned out to work better than the intended regimen (90 % vs 60 % in the other trial).

When they noticed the mistake, they pretended it had been their intention all along.

That's one troubling error, one surprising result that doesn't fit expectations and could, therefore, indicate other, potentially dangerous, problems in thinking or execution, and one deliberate lie.

Personally, I'd tend to agree with you and would probably take their vaccine if offered.

But that's something entirely different than allowing it to be given to millions of people. Getting this wrong would lead to a total breakdown of trust in institutions, and, in due course, a few democracies as well.

To insinuate some conspiracy given these circumstances is evidence for the mechanism of that breakdown, as well as irresponsible and, frankly, amateur populism.

Re: FDA grants authorization to Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by djsumdog »

maxerickson wrote: post #10
roody15 wrote: post #8

Hmm super expensive hard to transport Pfizer vaccine ... first to be approved. Next Moderna ... also super expensive second to be approved. After six months to a year ... and after making huge profits.... Then the AstraZeneca/Russian vaccine variants will be “found” to be also effective. We must first wait and let Pfizer make a few billion !!!

It's $40, not super expensive. 600 million doses would cost $25 billion, a trifle compared to how much the pandemic is costing.

Well hundreds of millions have already flowed into every major pharma company for development costs, so the price for tax payers in every contributing country is substantially higher than $40/person. That's just the price an individual may see.

Re: FDA grants authorization to Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by shoo »

maxerickson wrote: post #10
roody15 wrote: post #8

Hmm super expensive hard to transport Pfizer vaccine ... first to be approved. Next Moderna ... also super expensive second to be approved. After six months to a year ... and after making huge profits.... Then the AstraZeneca/Russian vaccine variants will be “found” to be also effective. We must first wait and let Pfizer make a few billion !!!

It's $40, not super expensive. 600 million doses would cost $25 billion, a trifle compared to how much the pandemic is costing.

> Belgium’s budget state secretary, Eva De Bleeker, posted the price list on Twitter, with the amounts of each vaccine that her country intends to buy from the EU. The tweet was quickly deleted, but not soon enough to prevent interested parties taking screenshots, which have now made it public knowledge.

  This is the list of what the EU is paying:

  Oxford/AstraZeneca: €1.78 (£1.61)
  Johnson & Johnson: $8.50 (£6.30)
  Sanofi/GSK: €7.56
  Pfizer/BioNTech: €12
  CureVac: €10
  Moderna: $18
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/18/belgian-minist...

Re: FDA grants authorization to Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by throwaway201103 »

eganist wrote: post #5
mchusma wrote: post #2

If they stopped banning Astrazeneca too, and stopped vaccinating people who already had COVID, we could be done within 60 days. Astrazeneca is well above the FDAs original safety and efficacy guidance and something I'd be glad to take and give my family.

> and stopped vaccinating people who already had COVID How would you propose doing this without drawing blood from every single person getting a vaccine?

Simply tell people, "if you've had COVID, don't get the vaccine" or maybe "go to the end of the line"

Re: FDA grants authorization to Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by maxerickson »

djsumdog wrote: post #13
maxerickson wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's $40, not super expensive. 600 million doses would cost $25 billion, a trifle compared to how much the pandemic is costing.

Well hundreds of millions have already flowed into every major pharma company for development costs, so the price for tax payers in every contributing country is substantially higher than $40/person. That's just the price an individual may see.

No, that's (roughly) the per dose price the US is paying for the vaccine (there's no individual fee here for the vaccine, I guess there can be an administrative fee, but that won't go to the manufacturer, it will go to the health provider doing the vaccination).

Re: FDA grants authorization to Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by stu2b50 »

roody15 wrote: post #8

Hmm super expensive hard to transport Pfizer vaccine ... first to be approved. Next Moderna ... also super expensive second to be approved. After six months to a year ... and after making huge profits.... Then the AstraZeneca/Russian vaccine variants will be “found” to be also effective. We must first wait and let Pfizer make a few billion !!!

Ah yes, it's definitely a conspiracy, not the fact that the Biontech/Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are RNA based, which are far faster to make, but which also are known to break down at high temperatures while AstraZeneca is a traditional vaccine.

Yep, it's definitely not the logical reason but Big Pharma and the US government and Germany at it again.

Re: FDA grants authorization to Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by rocqua »

shoo wrote: post #14
maxerickson wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's $40, not super expensive. 600 million doses would cost $25 billion, a trifle compared to how much the pandemic is costing.

> Belgium’s budget state secretary, Eva De Bleeker, posted the price list on Twitter, with the amounts of each vaccine that her country intends to buy from the EU. The tweet was quickly deleted, but not soon enough to prevent interested parties taking screenshots, which have now made it public knowledge. This is the list of what the EU is paying: Oxford/AstraZeneca: €1.78 (£1.61) Johnson & Johnson: $8.50 (£6.30) Sano…

Notably, these are prices for the EU members

Re: FDA grants authorization to Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by aphextron »

roody15 wrote: post #8

Hmm super expensive hard to transport Pfizer vaccine ... first to be approved. Next Moderna ... also super expensive second to be approved. After six months to a year ... and after making huge profits.... Then the AstraZeneca/Russian vaccine variants will be “found” to be also effective. We must first wait and let Pfizer make a few billion !!!

What exactly is wrong with allowing a company to profit from performing a literal miracle?

Re: FDA grants authorization to Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by lisper »

FreakyT wrote: post #7

Glad to hear it! One key advantage of the Moderna one versus the similar Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is that it doesn't require deep freeze storage, only regular freezing temperatures. (-90º C for Pfizer/BioNTech vs -20º C for Moderna)

Does anyone here know the reason for the difference? They're both mRNA vaccines, right? So why does one need a deep freeze and the other one not?
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