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Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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Post by pseudalopex »

oh_sigh wrote: post #6

Weird they don't say how many employees signed this letter. I guess saying ".02% of Googlers send letter" doesn't have quite the impact as an unstated number of employees. Also interesting how they bring up diversity figures when talking about Timnit leaving, but not that these employees are trying to get Megan Kacholia fired or demoted...yes that's right - a Woman in a field composed mostly of Men(to borrow the arti…

"In a message sent to Pichai and others that linked to the letter, Alex Hanna, a senior research scientist on the Ethical AI team, said it was sent on behalf of her team. A source familiar with the team said it includes roughly a dozen members."

Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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Post by visarga »

tsjq wrote: post #3

'do no evil' is not their motto any more. G would gradually make this team 'redundant' or irrelevant .

Firing one person does not mean that when they said they have over 200 people working on responsible AI. They probably cost tens of millions per year.

Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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Post by oh_sigh »

pseudalopex wrote: post #11
oh_sigh wrote: post #6

Weird they don't say how many employees signed this letter. I guess saying ".02% of Googlers send letter" doesn't have quite the impact as an unstated number of employees. Also interesting how they bring up diversity figures when talking about Timnit leaving, but not that these employees are trying to get Megan Kacholia fired or demoted...yes that's right - a Woman in a field composed mostly of Men(to borrow the arti…

"In a message sent to Pichai and others that linked to the letter, Alex Hanna, a senior research scientist on the Ethical AI team, said it was sent on behalf of her team. A source familiar with the team said it includes roughly a dozen members."

12/200000 = .006%, so I guess I over-estimated how many people signed.

Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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Post by kevingadd »

oh_sigh wrote: post #6

Weird they don't say how many employees signed this letter. I guess saying ".02% of Googlers send letter" doesn't have quite the impact as an unstated number of employees. Also interesting how they bring up diversity figures when talking about Timnit leaving, but not that these employees are trying to get Megan Kacholia fired or demoted...yes that's right - a Woman in a field composed mostly of Men(to borrow the arti…

Firing someone is not automatically bad if they happen to check particular boxes. It's the other way around: Firing someone because they happen to check particular boxes is an issue.

If someone is actively bad at their job or is sabotaging others in the workplace, it's quite reasonable to demand their resignation regardless of their sex, age, or family situation, even if it's unpleasant.

Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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Post by spicyramen »

tolbish wrote: post #13
OneGuy123 wrote: post #5

Why is "black" being spelled with a capital "B"?

The same reason "Latino" is spelled with a capital "L".

LatinX. As a native Spanish speaker I never understood the X and now I get it. Anyways is incorrect according to the Real Academy of the Spanish Language

Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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Post by spicyramen »

pseudalopex wrote: post #11
oh_sigh wrote: post #6

Weird they don't say how many employees signed this letter. I guess saying ".02% of Googlers send letter" doesn't have quite the impact as an unstated number of employees. Also interesting how they bring up diversity figures when talking about Timnit leaving, but not that these employees are trying to get Megan Kacholia fired or demoted...yes that's right - a Woman in a field composed mostly of Men(to borrow the arti…

"In a message sent to Pichai and others that linked to the letter, Alex Hanna, a senior research scientist on the Ethical AI team, said it was sent on behalf of her team. A source familiar with the team said it includes roughly a dozen members."

In my experience teams with little work have time to do this "activism"

Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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Post by pseudalopex »

oh_sigh wrote: post #15
pseudalopex wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"In a message sent to Pichai and others that linked to the letter, Alex Hanna, a senior research scientist on the Ethical AI team, said it was sent on behalf of her team. A source familiar with the team said it includes roughly a dozen members."

12/200000 = .006%, so I guess I over-estimated how many people signed.

Why would you expect people outside her team to sign? Would you respect their opinions if they did?

Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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Post by tolbish »

spicyramen wrote: post #17
tolbish wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same reason "Latino" is spelled with a capital "L".

LatinX. As a native Spanish speaker I never understood the X and now I get it. Anyways is incorrect according to the Real Academy of the Spanish Language

Why is the X capitalized?
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