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Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by Spivak »

I really don’t see how this is news. Automated system that matches song samples and can’t possibly know if a steamer went and licensed the copyrighted music on their stream trips on hearing copyrighted music. The banhammer falls automatically because there are so few cases (like this one) of legitimate usage requiring the content to be restored.

Like if anyone on HN was tasked to design a system to protect your companies asses against copyright lawsuits you would implement the same thing.

Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by shawnz »

wavefunction wrote: post #8
clircle wrote: post #2

Well, did he just write the songs or does he own the copyright? The former isn't enough to make this a wrongful suspension.

Copyright doesn't cover live performances, this would be ASCAP licensing or something similar though it seems if he's "playing his own music" then none of the above should apply.

Copyright law does cover live performances. ASCAP is an agency which enforces copyright on live performances.

Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by corobo »

Just to point it out this was back in Oct at the height of the DMCA stuff* I believe. Not to say it makes it any better but I can see how they might have been trigger happy at the time.

I opened this article "Again?!"

* Ooh I've ended up on the top. For context to people not in and around Twitch the RIAA woke up and started handing out DMCAs like it was going out of fashion. Twitch naturally had to respond to the DMCAs to keep fair harbour and the masses misdirected their anger at Twitch for a while.

Low rung news saw the ability to inhale clicks so they've written it in a "lol stupid Twitch" attitude instead of the mid-noughties classic "Fuck the RIAA"

Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by zinekeller »

yokoprime wrote: post #7
paranorman wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you implying he owns the copyright?

Yes

The problem is that Universal is the owner of the copyrights (including the lyrical and syncronisation copyrights), and this is DMCA we're talking about. This would end up differently in Europe or UK (the original authors are irrevocably entitled to some percentage of the revenue, typically 5%) but DMCA is based on American laws (which do not have these protections).

Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by Spivak »

whimsicalism wrote: post #9
clircle wrote: post #2

Well, did he just write the songs or does he own the copyright? The former isn't enough to make this a wrongful suspension.

So absurd that an original performance of a copyrighted song is an infringement.

Why? You’re literally talking someone else’s song and reproducing it. You just have to ask the copyright holder for permission and then you’re good.

It’s how the whole world of covers work.

Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by zinekeller »

Spivak wrote: post #11

I really don’t see how this is news. Automated system that matches song samples and can’t possibly know if a steamer went and licensed the copyrighted music on their stream trips on hearing copyrighted music. The banhammer falls automatically because there are so few cases (like this one) of legitimate usage requiring the content to be restored. Like if anyone on HN was tasked to design a system to protect your compa…

> I really don’t see how this is news.

Me too, for a different reason (he doesn't technically own the copyrights, Universal does). I do not support it, but if I were a signed artist, this wouldn't shocked me.

Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by crispyporkbites »

Spivak wrote: post #11

I really don’t see how this is news. Automated system that matches song samples and can’t possibly know if a steamer went and licensed the copyrighted music on their stream trips on hearing copyrighted music. The banhammer falls automatically because there are so few cases (like this one) of legitimate usage requiring the content to be restored. Like if anyone on HN was tasked to design a system to protect your compa…

Then it’s not a system that works and shouldn’t be in place. You can’t just say, that’ll do, it’s too hard or expensive to do this properly, so let’s not.

Amazon is one of the wealthiest companies in the world and could easily manually moderate channels before auto-banning them. As consumers we don’t have to accept these excuses for substandard services.

Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by dafoex »

paranorman wrote: post #4
blindm wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DMCA takedowns have their nets cast too wide. Uncopyrighted works get taken down all the time.

Are you implying he owns the copyright?

I think they are implying that public domain works are attacked globally because a company thinks they own it in one country. Take Happy Birthday, for example: in the UK it is considered a traditional song and is therefore public domain, but in the US there are no such protections against copyright and therefore Time Warner thinks they own it.

Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by kodt »

Spivak wrote: post #11

I really don’t see how this is news. Automated system that matches song samples and can’t possibly know if a steamer went and licensed the copyrighted music on their stream trips on hearing copyrighted music. The banhammer falls automatically because there are so few cases (like this one) of legitimate usage requiring the content to be restored. Like if anyone on HN was tasked to design a system to protect your compa…

More evidence that automated systems like this should not be used.
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