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A guide to product analytics tools for startups

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Re: A guide to product analytics tools for startups

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I’ve implemented both amplitude and mixpanel for event tracking on Django apps.

I currently have a project that uses both auto JS and python-based track() calls using mixpanel.

I’ve found people commonly block js analytics and it isn’t safe to rely on for user behavior.

For example, you can instrument react hooks, but you really aught to instrument the api calls they rely on or they will not get captured in many circumstances.

I also have found mixpanel’s anon / known user ID merge to be poorly documented and the community support to be kind of slow and did not get the sense the folks answering had not personally done the implementations being discussed.

One of the biggest things I wanted out of event tracking was to build event bases web hooks to trigger drip-contact events.

Mixpanel quietly deprecates web hooks a few months ago and now wants you to use partners that process your data and do this for you.

Re: A guide to product analytics tools for startups

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Honestly this is a pretty weak overview of the landscape, apparently limited only to the top YC analytics companies and published by a YC company. There are tons of options out there, including many self-hosted solutions. You'll have to do further research beyond this article, however.

For example, Matomo... larger list here https://github.com/onurakpolat/awesome-analytics

I mean... have you ever used Matomo? It isn't good. I checked it out earlier this year.

Re: A guide to product analytics tools for startups

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I know PostHog is only lightly mentioned in the article, but I would highly recommend checking them out! [0] (They're also open-source and provide a self-hosted solution. [1]) [0] https://posthog.com/ [1] https://github.com/posthog/posthog

Yeah they do Fullstory-type stuff, Heap-type stuff, plus they have an SDK in most popular languages (which no other company has.) If I didn't already set my stuff up before I had heard of them, I would have gone with them. They have the best parts of other tools.

Unless their stuff doesn't work well. I only spent a couple of hours so I might not have noticed UX issues that would have been painful to deal with.

Re: A guide to product analytics tools for startups

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Disclosure: I work at Mixpanel

We updated our packaging/pricing a few weeks ago. Our Free plan allows for 100k MTUs now (100x more volume), and our Growth plan is cheaper. https://mixpanel.com/pricing/

We wanted to make a big improvement in both these categories for customers:

- "How far you can get without paying"

- "Paid Plan Affordability"

Just an FYI since that change happened since this Satchel review was published in May.

Re: A guide to product analytics tools for startups

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I’ve implemented both amplitude and mixpanel for event tracking on Django apps. I currently have a project that uses both auto JS and python-based track() calls using mixpanel. I’ve found people commonly block js analytics and it isn’t safe to rely on for user behavior. For example, you can instrument react hooks, but you really aught to instrument the api calls they rely on or they will not get captured in many circ…

Out of curiosity, what category is your product in? I don't think i've found a huge amount of people block js analytics, but thats probably due to the categories of products I've worked in.

Re: A guide to product analytics tools for startups

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(I used to work at Heap.) I think the post is spot on and it shows the Satchel team put did a ton of research into the post. There are two comments I would make on top of the post. First, know if the advice applies to you. If you are pre-product market fit it's probably too early to think about event based analytics. If you have a small number of users and are able to talk with all of them, you will get much more mea…

Another autotracking tool is https://useitbetter.com which combines quant analytics with heatmapping and a/b testing. I believe Mixpanel also offered autotracking for a while, but it didn't work out for some reason? It's probably difficult to mix pricing for manual tagging nad autotracking since the latter produce massive amounts of data.

The suggested website gives me a white page? Need to unblock my content blocker to get it loading. Not a great start imho

Re: A guide to product analytics tools for startups

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Disclosure: I work at Mixpanel We updated our packaging/pricing a few weeks ago. Our Free plan allows for 100k MTUs now (100x more volume), and our Growth plan is cheaper. https://mixpanel.com/pricing/ We wanted to make a big improvement in both these categories for customers: - "How far you can get without paying" - "Paid Plan Affordability" Just an FYI since that change happened since this Satchel review was publis…

Hey there!

We're kicking the tires on Mixpanel - currently we're prepping for an alpha release, and there are a few things about the dashboards I wish either don't exist, or are not easy to find:

1. I wish I had more options for visualizations. Fot instance, at this scale, it would be really nice to have a scatter plot of events at exactly the time they occur, rather than by the hour

2. I really wish I could customize the graphs more - like if I have a 3 day view, I would rather group the events by the hour rather than the day, and it seems like I can't do that.

3. Is there a place to just query all the events, and get them in a table form? Like I would love to just be able to get all of a particular event in a certain time period, and then look through the properties and exact timings one by one.

Anyway, just some casual observations from a potential user.

Re: A guide to product analytics tools for startups

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I’ve implemented both amplitude and mixpanel for event tracking on Django apps. I currently have a project that uses both auto JS and python-based track() calls using mixpanel. I’ve found people commonly block js analytics and it isn’t safe to rely on for user behavior. For example, you can instrument react hooks, but you really aught to instrument the api calls they rely on or they will not get captured in many circ…

Out of curiosity, what category is your product in? I don't think i've found a huge amount of people block js analytics, but thats probably due to the categories of products I've worked in.

This new product is a consumer social / video concept.

Doesn’t just about every extension-based ad blocker block all js analytics discussed in this post?

Have you done backup backend instrumentation if particular events to see definitively that you’re getting duplicate events as often as you think?

One thing I noticed is that without the belt and suspenders approach it really was not obvious what I was missing.

I also care a lot about people who run ad blockers because I consider them to be more savvy and thus more likely to influence the behavior of others.

Re: A guide to product analytics tools for startups

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another autotracking tool is https://useitbetter.com which combines quant analytics with heatmapping and a/b testing. I believe Mixpanel also offered autotracking for a while, but it didn't work out for some reason? It's probably difficult to mix pricing for manual tagging nad autotracking since the latter produce massive amounts of data.

The suggested website gives me a white page? Need to unblock my content blocker to get it loading. Not a great start imho

I use ublock, but the site works fine for me. Are you blocking JS? Looking at the source code it's some kind of a javascript single-pager, built entirely in the app itself.
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