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Burnt $72k testing Firebase and Cloud Run and almost went bankrupt

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Re: Burnt $72k testing Firebase and Cloud Run and almost went bankrupt

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To put it into perspective: You give me $72K and I'll set you up a 1PB replicated storage infra with a total of 100+ available CPU cores and half a TB RAM. I saw people burning through cash in the cloud, which makes you wonder weather money is any concern at all.

You forget your own cost here.

A full-time system administrator costs more than 72k a year.

Re: Burnt $72k testing Firebase and Cloud Run and almost went bankrupt

#13
writing as somebody who runs a big collection of bare-metal hypervisors for ISP infrastructure purposes... this post quite honestly just makes me smirk.

I have truly lost track of the numerous instances, and number of people who would be better served by buying a $1200 test/development 1U dual socket server with a few fast SSDs in it, and putting it in colocation somewhere for a few hundred dollars a month. The costs would be absolutely fixed and known.

On a tight budget? You don't even need to go as far as $1200, I see totally fine test/development environment suitable, Dell 1U servers on eBay right now for under $500 with 128GB of RAM.

Or that would be better off purchasing a fixed-configuration virtual machine (typically running on xen or kvm underneath) that has a certain specific amount of CPU, RAM and storage resources allocated to it which cannot balloon. For a fixed bill per month like $65 or $85.

You want to deploy your weird app on some cloud platform? sure, go for it, once you've got the possible scaling-up cost issues and possible bugs worked out on your own platform.

Re: Burnt $72k testing Firebase and Cloud Run and almost went bankrupt

#15
post #7

You can ask for a good faith billing adjustment. GCE or AWS is well aware that things happen, and collecting something is better than collecting nothing.

Part two of the article indicates they did that, and had the bill nulled out.

Re: Burnt $72k testing Firebase and Cloud Run and almost went bankrupt

#16

To put it into perspective: You give me $72K and I'll set you up a 1PB replicated storage infra with a total of 100+ available CPU cores and half a TB RAM. I saw people burning through cash in the cloud, which makes you wonder weather money is any concern at all.

only a half TB of RAM? somebody recently gave me a free 4U server with 256GB of RAM in it. for zero dollars.

If you need a number or xen or kvm VMs with a lot of RAM assigned to each one for testing something, you can fairly easily set up an older Dell R910 (quad-socket system) with 512GB of RAM for under $2000.

Re: Burnt $72k testing Firebase and Cloud Run and almost went bankrupt

#17

writing as somebody who runs a big collection of bare-metal hypervisors for ISP infrastructure purposes... this post quite honestly just makes me smirk. I have truly lost track of the numerous instances, and number of people who would be better served by buying a $1200 test/development 1U dual socket server with a few fast SSDs in it, and putting it in colocation somewhere for a few hundred dollars a month. The costs…

> The costs would be absolutely fixed and known.

Until the server breaks and you have to drive over in the middle of the night and try to replace it but the only available server right now is a shitty one and oh shit only half the backups work cause the onsite backups are fried too etc etc etc.

There's many good arguments against high-level BaaS such as Firebase but I'm not sure that "colo is cheaper" is one.

Re: Burnt $72k testing Firebase and Cloud Run and almost went bankrupt

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post #11

To put it into perspective: You give me $72K and I'll set you up a 1PB replicated storage infra with a total of 100+ available CPU cores and half a TB RAM. I saw people burning through cash in the cloud, which makes you wonder weather money is any concern at all.

You forget your own cost here. A full-time system administrator costs more than 72k a year.

Once an organization reaches a certain size it will need one, who ideally should be a person that can wear the dual hats of linux/bsd sysadmin and also network engineer.

If the person is already on payroll doing a number of other duties, the time/effort to set up such an environment as described in the post could be as short as a couple of days work.

Re: Burnt $72k testing Firebase and Cloud Run and almost went bankrupt

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post #11

To put it into perspective: You give me $72K and I'll set you up a 1PB replicated storage infra with a total of 100+ available CPU cores and half a TB RAM. I saw people burning through cash in the cloud, which makes you wonder weather money is any concern at all.

You forget your own cost here. A full-time system administrator costs more than 72k a year.

Yeah, but the absence of system administrator has just cost these guys 72k for several hours.

Re: Burnt $72k testing Firebase and Cloud Run and almost went bankrupt

#20

writing as somebody who runs a big collection of bare-metal hypervisors for ISP infrastructure purposes... this post quite honestly just makes me smirk. I have truly lost track of the numerous instances, and number of people who would be better served by buying a $1200 test/development 1U dual socket server with a few fast SSDs in it, and putting it in colocation somewhere for a few hundred dollars a month. The costs…

> The costs would be absolutely fixed and known. Until the server breaks and you have to drive over in the middle of the night and try to replace it but the only available server right now is a shitty one and oh shit only half the backups work cause the onsite backups are fried too etc etc etc. There's many good arguments against high-level BaaS such as Firebase but I'm not sure that "colo is cheaper" is one.

fine, buy two identical ones. and set up proper backups. or even make the backup a hot-spare.

if it's a test/development system that's meant to possibly break, you shouldn't be driving anywhere at 0300 in the morning anyways.

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