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The Erosion of Deep Literacy

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Re: The Erosion of Deep Literacy

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One thing that is interesting that the medium matters. For me, I am much more likely to read a programming physical book cover to cover in a short time, than an ebook. Sometimes, I have had an ebook for months, reading just snippets of it, but when I get the same book in physical form, I finish it in a few days. Anybody else have that experience?

Yeah all the time! It doesn't help that for certain technical books, they work much better on a tablet, phone or laptop. I wish e readers worked better for certain kinds of material.

Re: The Erosion of Deep Literacy

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This article makes far reaching societal claims with essentially no evidence. The evidence presented is in the form of "feelings" of various writers concerned of their own decline in literaryfocus.

An unvoiced assumption that people were historically more literate pervades the entire article. As a former lit. major I used to buy into this kind of thing. But I now think this belief is the product of profound selection bias. Literature and history libraries are full of the very best diaries and letters of the very best diary and letter writers because those are enjoyable to read and being more detailed are more useful. History is not written by the victors but by the literate.

People of letters that write this kind of article are obviously inclined towards letters and therefore inclined to sample history through literate means and therefore greatly overestimate the literacy of the past.

But let us pair anecdote to anecdote. There is a podcast network called "The New Books Network". It examines weekly the release of new academic works. It began as "New Books in History" covering one new history book each week. Now it features dozens of podcasts each covering a new book every week. Engage these podcasts for six months and at the end, tell where your biases lie. You will probably suddenly believe we live in the most literate age of all.

Re: The Erosion of Deep Literacy

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I like to read books. I do not like to read long-form articles.

Why?

Because the vast majority of long-form articles are written by people who are lacking a quality editor. They are virtually always a superfluous, stream-of-consciousness verbal vomit that beats the reader over the head with information that is tangentially related to the purpose of the article, and they are usually 4-5x as long as they really need to be to get their point across.

This article is no exception.

Re: The Erosion of Deep Literacy

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post #10

This is a really interesting piece. I've been wanting to rage against illiteracy lately but I'm not too active in public discourse (even this). That said, I don't think it's some secret key to improving humanity. I think this because literacy is ultimately a luxury, even in modernity. The literate may be able to form more nuanced opinions, but that matters less if they can't increase literacy consistently across popu…

"those who dont know history are bound to repeat it" literacy is the only way to improve humanity.

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Long and nice read. Ten years ago, there was still heated debates about whether Nicolas Carr was right. Now we kind of know he somehow was right, so parts of the debate are over, while others, still relevant parts, leave us speachless. Or maybe that's just me.

I haven't read Carr, but the article makes it sound as if only reading attention span is addressed. I am astounded at my inability to watch films I enjoyed as a young adult because the scenes are too long and the story unfolds too slowly.

Re: The Erosion of Deep Literacy

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One thing that is interesting that the medium matters. For me, I am much more likely to read a programming physical book cover to cover in a short time, than an ebook. Sometimes, I have had an ebook for months, reading just snippets of it, but when I get the same book in physical form, I finish it in a few days. Anybody else have that experience?

I "think" I do, if I care about reading a book, I always buy a physical copy for this particular reason.

Re: The Erosion of Deep Literacy

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“If you do not deep read, you do not cultivate a capacity to think, imagine, and create; you therefore may not realize that anything more satisfying than a video game even exists.”

Hence universal public education. The author, though, is talking about making additional effort, as though schooling alone didn’t achieve these basic ends. Glad I didn’t go to his high school.

Given a finite amount of time (albeit a near-infinite amount of easily accessible material to read), there must be a trade off between deep reading and broad reading. No explicit mention of “broad reading” as the alternative in the text, assumedly because having a broad reading experience is viewed as a fine thing.

And for good reason. Consider the most deeply read (non religious) texts in the 20th C....Little Red Book, Communist Manifesto, Ayn Rand, Mein Kampf. Throw in religious cult classics of your choosing. One could argue less deep reading of those texts would have been a very good thing, and millions of lives could have been saved.

Silent sustained reading of political and economics texts, if you don’t swallow the arguments made book, line and thinker, can be a good thing. Cliff Notes and simply reading summaries/critiques of those classic works instead are better, and allow a breadth of reading in limited time that provides context and perspective.

Losing one’s self in a deep read is an act of trust and faith, an act that too often in the 20th Century led to betrayal, abuse and death via the distorted view of reality that resulted. Even in non-political texts, the assumptions underlying popular novels, from Bellows and Mailer to bodice rippers, can have profound renormalizing consequences in the lives of these who lost themselves in these alternative realities.

Sometimes having the attention span of an over-caffeinated golden retriever puppy is a good thing.

Re: The Erosion of Deep Literacy

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This article makes far reaching societal claims with essentially no evidence. The evidence presented is in the form of "feelings" of various writers concerned of their own decline in literaryfocus. An unvoiced assumption that people were historically more literate pervades the entire article. As a former lit. major I used to buy into this kind of thing. But I now think this belief is the product of profound selection…

Key bias is that when you read old stuff and people seem to be well read it appears that way also because canons have shifted so it appears as if they read „more than the literature canon“

Re: The Erosion of Deep Literacy

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Trying to take an optimistic view on this: what if creators simply haven't mastered new media technologies (video, audio, etc.) well enough yet? It's easy to forget, but the earliest forms of language were probably used in extremely mundane circumstances ("Me hungry, food there, etc.") Writing itself was used primarily for imperial accounting purposes for thousands of years before anyone bothered to use it and create art.

I hope that we're merely "illiterate" because we're in between two technological eras.

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