Earlier quoted context omitted.
That doesn't really say very much. What new rules? Why the API?
epd
epd means e-Privacy Directive [1] for those who are not familiar with the acronym
Messenger API Updates for Europe
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Re: Messenger API Updates for Europe
#12So instead of making their system less-privacy-invasive (which I have seen no indication should be impossible wrt the APIs mentioned here), they just shut down services where this is regulated. Not surprised, but there's no way to spin this in a way that doesn't make Facebook look shady and bad. So much for "working with regulators".
What makes you think the APIs could be changed to comply? Maybe there’s no way to implement what they used to do legally.
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#13While Messenger is linked to our Facebook account state, where you can be arbitrarily banned for any reason without any accountability or recourse, the idea of relying on Messenger as a communcations app is an absurd proposition.
Problem with this is, that you have a massive number of users on facebook, and not wanting to do business using them, could be a massive hit to your sales.
I know people, who only look for businesses on facebook, ask for support questions there, and dont't care if the business doesnt have a full webpage, if it has a facebook page (and even if it has, sendin an email is a lot "harder" than just clicking "chat" on a facebook page, to ask something (eg. if they're open now, due to pandemic,etc.).
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#14So instead of making their system less-privacy-invasive (which I have seen no indication should be impossible wrt the APIs mentioned here), they just shut down services where this is regulated. Not surprised, but there's no way to spin this in a way that doesn't make Facebook look shady and bad. So much for "working with regulators".
It does say:
"We are currently working to restore these features and will continue to update this document and the changelog section with the details as they are available."
Doesn't this suggest that they aren't being shut-down?
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
That doesn't really say very much. What new rules? Why the API?
epd
Sorry but epd (ePrivacy Directive)[0] is from 2002 with last amendments in 2009 and has nothing to do with this.
There's a draft for "ePrivacy Regulation"[1][2] introduced in 2017 that looks to replace ePrivacy Directive, but it's still in a draft and discussions stage. There's no guarantee it'll become a law.
[0] - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:32...
[1] - https://www.mckinsey.com/business-functions/risk/our-insight...
Re: Messenger API Updates for Europe
#16So instead of making their system less-privacy-invasive (which I have seen no indication should be impossible wrt the APIs mentioned here), they just shut down services where this is regulated. Not surprised, but there's no way to spin this in a way that doesn't make Facebook look shady and bad. So much for "working with regulators".
It does say: "We are currently working to restore these features and will continue to update this document and the changelog section with the details as they are available." Doesn't this suggest that they aren't being shut-down?
It might be temporary, but removing features "temporary" certainly sounds like being shut down, but temporary.
Interesting that Facebook and everyone else has been knowing that these rules have been coming for years, they still haven't been ready. Certainly reads like they haven't been working with anyone, and their last resort is now to temporary shut down the features they were unable to fix, during these years.
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#17So instead of making their system less-privacy-invasive (which I have seen no indication should be impossible wrt the APIs mentioned here), they just shut down services where this is regulated. Not surprised, but there's no way to spin this in a way that doesn't make Facebook look shady and bad. So much for "working with regulators".
What makes you think the APIs could be changed to comply? Maybe there’s no way to implement what they used to do legally.
You can see what API calls do not work on the listed page. Most of those should not require any privacy breaking features so it should absolutely be possible to implement them legally. They just don't like to do so.
Re: Messenger API Updates for Europe
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
> As part of our efforts to comply with new privacy rules in Europe
That doesn't really say very much. What new rules? Why the API?
Just speculating, but it could be to do with the recent ruling that the EU-US Privacy Shield data sharing agreement was invalid https://easygdpr.eu/2020/08/privacy-shield-invalidated-what-...
This means that data sharing between the US and EU is a lot more complicated, as the EU ruling basically says that US data protection regulations are not sufficient to comply with the requirements set out in the GDPR.
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#19This is desperately short on explanation? The very high granularity suggests that some features are more privacy-invasive than others, but not why that is.
(Also, listing the UK under EEA is .. complicated and subject to change in the next few weeks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Membership_of_the_United_Kingd... )
Re: Messenger API Updates for Europe
#20So instead of making their system less-privacy-invasive (which I have seen no indication should be impossible wrt the APIs mentioned here), they just shut down services where this is regulated. Not surprised, but there's no way to spin this in a way that doesn't make Facebook look shady and bad. So much for "working with regulators".
To honest, I think this is probably the begining of the end for Facebook. I foresee that they'll be forced to reduce services in Europe repeatedly. It'll be interesting to see what takes its place.