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Who gains most from canceling student debt?

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Re: Who gains most from canceling student debt?

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College is expansive because loans are super easy, and are guaranteed. Basically zero risk for colleges.

Sources? There's a ton of research showing that state funding for colleges has declined significantly as enrollment has increased, accounting for a large fraction of tuition increase. I have trouble explaining this to my parents enough though it's clearly true. They don't like the reality that their votes to "cut taxes" for 30 years has doomed their own children to a decade of debt and not being able to afford a hous…

Banks are guaranteed payment on the student loans they issue (yes there are exceptions but that’s not the norm). The norm is that either the student pays back the loan, or, the government pays back the loan. That’s why banks have decided to loan out 200k plus loans to 18 year olds. State schools or private schools, it doesn’t matter. If the customer is willing to pay more money for the same product (because loan sizes from banks keep growing), then there is an opportunity to raise prices. Sure costs have gone up for schools over the years, so have expectations for what schools provide (more amenities, more staff, more sports programs, etc). That’s only a fraction of the reason for hire school prices.

If you capped how much banks could loan on guarantee, you’d see prices for schools drop pretty sharp. Mark Cuban has talked about this a bunch over the years.

Re: Who gains most from canceling student debt?

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College is expansive because loans are super easy, and are guaranteed. Basically zero risk for colleges.

Sources? There's a ton of research showing that state funding for colleges has declined significantly as enrollment has increased, accounting for a large fraction of tuition increase. I have trouble explaining this to my parents enough though it's clearly true. They don't like the reality that their votes to "cut taxes" for 30 years has doomed their own children to a decade of debt and not being able to afford a hous…

This is purely speculative but from this source of data showing the amount of people in college now as opposed to pre-guaranteed loan days, I'd agree.

http://www.newstrategist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/BB8....

When you give the masses an easy way to go to school and colleges (which are basically educational guilds nowadays) started upping the costs immensely. Colleges knew the writing was on the wall now that students didn't just need to save money and work using solely their own capital. They could get it by the government. The only one who truly bore the risk was the government backed borrowers.

Re: Who gains most from canceling student debt?

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I completely agree with canceling student debt, after the student serves a tour on the armed services. What a great policy that would be... https://myarmybenefits.us.army.mil/Benefit-Library/Federal-B...

I don't see why paid edu in exchange for Gov work commitments isn't broadly available across most fields.

Re: Who gains most from canceling student debt?

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I mean the US doesn't even have socialized healthcare. There's no way you're going to get tax paying americans to hop on the socialize education bandwagon when the assumption is the average college student that holds debt got a degree in acrobatic water polo... The one message that did stand out to me and we kind of have it already was this: "That system should be reformed going forward, with a shift toward income-ba…

A large part of why education is so expensive is massive state level cuts to public colleges. Some states have cut their budget by 2/3 even though the number of students has gone up 3x since the 70's. The truth is, for state schools, the government largely funded our parents education. Now most of that money has been taken away and replaced with un-dischargable loans. I see it as a grift of the old generations on the…

This is true, and shouldn't have been down-modded.

Re: Who gains most from canceling student debt?

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I completely agree with canceling student debt, after the student serves a tour on the armed services. What a great policy that would be... https://myarmybenefits.us.army.mil/Benefit-Library/Federal-B...

I agree you should only get free college if you participate in bombing some goat farmers for oil first

Re: Who gains most from canceling student debt?

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I completely agree with canceling student debt, after the student serves a tour on the armed services. What a great policy that would be... https://myarmybenefits.us.army.mil/Benefit-Library/Federal-B...

I agree you should only get free college if you participate in bombing some goat farmers for oil first

Bombing weddings on behalf of repressive regimes doesn't qualify? That seems unfair.

Re: Who gains most from canceling student debt?

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I completely agree with canceling student debt, after the student serves a tour on the armed services. What a great policy that would be... https://myarmybenefits.us.army.mil/Benefit-Library/Federal-B...

You don't even need to be in the armed forces to get loan forgiveness or repayment assistance now. GWB & Obama both signed bills into law that also extend these benefits to members of AmeriCorps.

https://www.nationalservice.gov/sites/default/files/document...

Re: Who gains most from canceling student debt?

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I completely agree with canceling student debt, after the student serves a tour on the armed services. What a great policy that would be... https://myarmybenefits.us.army.mil/Benefit-Library/Federal-B...

So completely discriminate against anyone with a serious medical condition or a disability?

Re: Who gains most from canceling student debt?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sources? There's a ton of research showing that state funding for colleges has declined significantly as enrollment has increased, accounting for a large fraction of tuition increase. I have trouble explaining this to my parents enough though it's clearly true. They don't like the reality that their votes to "cut taxes" for 30 years has doomed their own children to a decade of debt and not being able to afford a hous…

Banks are guaranteed payment on the student loans they issue (yes there are exceptions but that’s not the norm). The norm is that either the student pays back the loan, or, the government pays back the loan. That’s why banks have decided to loan out 200k plus loans to 18 year olds. State schools or private schools, it doesn’t matter. If the customer is willing to pay more money for the same product (because loan size…

I think this is a symptom of the problem. Schools needed a new revenue source when states cut funding and college enrollment skyrocketed. They turned to government loans to avoid raising taxes.

I'm not a history buff but this is how I interpret us reaching out current situation. Undischargeable loans is debt slavery and should be abolished. The very purpose of bankruptcy is to prevent situations like this.

The realistic outcomes are either government bailing itself out on discharged loans (after all, the school has already been paid). Or, probably a better decision, increasing state school funding to the dollars per student that existed in decades prior. Option 2 would be extremely difficult politically until mellenials overtake baby boomers as the dominant voting bloc in a decade or two

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