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Startup Idea: Draw usr specified art on moon using teleoperated robot

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Post by hugh3 »

audionerd wrote: post #9

In 2009, David Kent Jones proposed “shadow shaping” / “shadow farming” technology, in which robots would alter the moon’s surface in such a way that shadows from sunlight on the moon would form company logo’s and advertising messages. This method, however, was clearly banned by 2005 legislature on “obtrusive space advertising” (see: 49 U.S.C. 70109a) and potentially violates the “Agreement Governing the Activities of…

The Moon Treaty of 1979 specifically bans “altering the environment of celestial bodies”

But in a legal sense, how am I, a private individual, bound by the Moon Treaty of 1979?

If I did choose to go and carve my name into the Moon, who would punish me? Unless the United States (or whatever country I happen to be in) followed up the signing of the Moon Treaty by the passing of a law which prohibits citizens from carving their name into the moon, there's nothing they can charge me with, right?

edit: Actually now I come to look it up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_Treaty) the Moon Treaty wasn't even signed by the United States. In fact, it was signed by only thirteen countries, none of which has the capabilities of getting anywhere near the moon.

Re: Startup Idea: Draw usr specified art on moon using teleoperated robot

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Post by Sudarshan »

edge17 wrote: post #6

From the Lunar X prize teams we know that it nearly fits within a 30 million budget. how so? from the lunar x teams I know, it is exactly the opposite.

Well not that it fits exactly, but that is the order of magnitude of the expense. At least many videos of the glxp are saying so...

But hey only the winner gets to keep the cash. They are in it for the learning so that they can become part of the industry.

Re: Startup Idea: Draw usr specified art on moon using teleoperated robot

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Post by audionerd »

hugh3 wrote: post #11
audionerd wrote: post #9

In 2009, David Kent Jones proposed “shadow shaping” / “shadow farming” technology, in which robots would alter the moon’s surface in such a way that shadows from sunlight on the moon would form company logo’s and advertising messages. This method, however, was clearly banned by 2005 legislature on “obtrusive space advertising” (see: 49 U.S.C. 70109a) and potentially violates the “Agreement Governing the Activities of…

The Moon Treaty of 1979 specifically bans “altering the environment of celestial bodies” But in a legal sense, how am I, a private individual, bound by the Moon Treaty of 1979? If I did choose to go and carve my name into the Moon, who would punish me? Unless the United States (or whatever country I happen to be in) followed up the signing of the Moon Treaty by the passing of a law which prohibits citizens from carvi…

Yes, the Moon Treaty was never ratified by the US. I think it's worth noting to show both the historical precedent of respect for the preservation of the Moon's environment, and that such respect is widespread throughout the world.

Re: Startup Idea: Draw usr specified art on moon using teleoperated robot

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Post by hugh3 »

audionerd wrote: post #14
hugh3 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Moon Treaty of 1979 specifically bans “altering the environment of celestial bodies” But in a legal sense, how am I, a private individual, bound by the Moon Treaty of 1979? If I did choose to go and carve my name into the Moon, who would punish me? Unless the United States (or whatever country I happen to be in) followed up the signing of the Moon Treaty by the passing of a law which prohibits citizens from carvi…

Yes, the Moon Treaty was never ratified by the US. I think it's worth noting to show both the historical precedent of respect for the preservation of the Moon's environment, and that such respect is widespread throughout the world.

and that such respect is widespread throughout the world.

By thirteen out of nearly two hundred countries?

Let's face it, nobody actually wants someone to burn a huge logo onto the moon. And that's okay, because nobody can afford to burn a huge logo onto the moon anyway. In terms of other uses, there's some reasonable disagreement -- for instance the Moon Treaty says that no private individual should be allowed to own any land on the Moon, whereas I think that granting land rights on the Moon to whoever can manage to set up a permanent settlement there is a great idea.

Re: Startup Idea: Draw usr specified art on moon using teleoperated robot

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Post by hugh3 »

Sudarshan wrote: post #10
dazzawazza wrote: post #3

I for one would lobby my government to stop this from happening. When I look in to the infinite wonder of space I don't want to see a fucking coke logo slowly going by. To quote from Sagan's The Dragons of Eden where he speculates on the Evolution of Human Intelligence: "A typical example of the occasional resistance mustered by intuitive thinking against the clear conclusions of analytical thinking is D.H. Lawrence'…

I understand and appreciate your sentiments. America and Australia would have been a lot more "beautiful" without the European settlers ruining it. But in a strange way mankind needs to move "forward" "whatever" that means. We need to colonize the Solar system, then the galaxy and then spread to the other galaxies. Governments prefer to fight religious wars by spending orders of magnitude more than the NASA budget, b…

America and Australia would have been a lot more "beautiful" without the European settlers ruining it.

If we're going to play that game, then Australia would have been a helluva lot more beautiful if the Aborigines hadn't got to it either. As soon as they showed up they killed off most of the awesomest wildlife (goodbye, Diprotodon) and burned a helluva lot of the forests down.

Re: Startup Idea: Draw usr specified art on moon using teleoperated robot

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audionerd wrote: post #9

In 2009, David Kent Jones proposed “shadow shaping” / “shadow farming” technology, in which robots would alter the moon’s surface in such a way that shadows from sunlight on the moon would form company logo’s and advertising messages. This method, however, was clearly banned by 2005 legislature on “obtrusive space advertising” (see: 49 U.S.C. 70109a) and potentially violates the “Agreement Governing the Activities of…

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Re: Startup Idea: Draw usr specified art on moon using teleoperated robot

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Post by audionerd »

audionerd wrote: post #14
hugh3 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Moon Treaty of 1979 specifically bans “altering the environment of celestial bodies” But in a legal sense, how am I, a private individual, bound by the Moon Treaty of 1979? If I did choose to go and carve my name into the Moon, who would punish me? Unless the United States (or whatever country I happen to be in) followed up the signing of the Moon Treaty by the passing of a law which prohibits citizens from carvi…

Yes, the Moon Treaty was never ratified by the US. I think it's worth noting to show both the historical precedent of respect for the preservation of the Moon's environment, and that such respect is widespread throughout the world.

I would disagree with the statement "nobody can afford to burn a huge logo onto the Moon". If the only constraint is who can "afford" it, the advertising world has some pretty deep pockets.

Re: Startup Idea: Draw usr specified art on moon using teleoperated robot

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Post by hugh3 »

audionerd wrote: post #18
audionerd wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the Moon Treaty was never ratified by the US. I think it's worth noting to show both the historical precedent of respect for the preservation of the Moon's environment, and that such respect is widespread throughout the world.

I would disagree with the statement "nobody can afford to burn a huge logo onto the Moon". If the only constraint is who can "afford" it, the advertising world has some pretty deep pockets.

How would you do it, exactly? Bear in mind that any logo visible on the Moon from Earth would have to be roughly the size of... oh, say, the United States.

Re: Startup Idea: Draw usr specified art on moon using teleoperated robot

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Post by audionerd »

audionerd wrote: post #18
audionerd wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the Moon Treaty was never ratified by the US. I think it's worth noting to show both the historical precedent of respect for the preservation of the Moon's environment, and that such respect is widespread throughout the world.

I would disagree with the statement "nobody can afford to burn a huge logo onto the Moon". If the only constraint is who can "afford" it, the advertising world has some pretty deep pockets.

Right, you can't project from Earth and get that kind of broadly visible image. You'd have to setup projection via satellite orbiting the Moon.
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