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Re: The Few, the Tired, the Open Source Coders

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Post by generalizations » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 2:04 AM UTC

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #8

I can’t read the article. I’m very interested, but Wired has become such a cesspool of popovers, pop ups, advertising, tracking, and general dark patterns that I just can’t go there... even with an ad blocker the experience is annoying and sucky. What happened to them?

Only thing I saw with uBlock Origin was the thing about 'running out of free articles'.

Re: The Few, the Tired, the Open Source Coders

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Post by generalizations » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 2:05 AM UTC

> “I couldn't grab dinner with someone after work,” he says, because he felt like he'd be letting users down: I shouldn't be out enjoying myself. I should be working on Bootstrap!

That's an attitude problem on the part of the developer. He shouldn't feel guilty for providing insufficient free support.

Re: The Few, the Tired, the Open Source Coders

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Post by generalizations » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 2:06 AM UTC

compycom wrote: post #6

Open source has become yet another way for big tech companies to exploit laborers. If you are an independent developer working on an open source project without a copy-left license, you are a fool.

It's not exactly exploitation...you're free to walk away at any time.

Re: The Few, the Tired, the Open Source Coders

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Post by cageface » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 2:06 AM UTC

brodouevencode wrote: post #9

compycom wrote: post #6

Open source has become yet another way for big tech companies to exploit laborers. If you are an independent developer working on an open source project without a copy-left license, you are a fool.

The language is a bit too extreme in my view. You release OSS knowing that anyone can come and pick it up. Even if they make a dime off your sweat. Pick your license, fine, but there's no reason for the devs to get upset about it because there's no lack of information out there. That being said, companies should kick down some love to the OSS projects they use. Especially big companies for which it's just a charitabl…

At every company I've worked I've lobbied for us to make donations to open source projects we depend on. Every single time it quietly dies in legal. There must be a better way.

Re: The Few, the Tired, the Open Source Coders

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Post by fabianhjr » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 2:14 AM UTC

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #8

I can’t read the article. I’m very interested, but Wired has become such a cesspool of popovers, pop ups, advertising, tracking, and general dark patterns that I just can’t go there... even with an ad blocker the experience is annoying and sucky. What happened to them?

I don't know what ad blocker you are using but uBlock Origin did got everything.

Re: The Few, the Tired, the Open Source Coders

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 2:16 AM UTC

compycom wrote: post #6

Open source has become yet another way for big tech companies to exploit laborers. If you are an independent developer working on an open source project without a copy-left license, you are a fool.

Even with a copy-left license. Take for example Linux. It undergirds the entire Cloud technology, and social media, as well as Android. There is no way the contributors have seen anything but a minuscule portion of the value generated.

Re: The Few, the Tired, the Open Source Coders

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Post by dunce2020 » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 2:16 AM UTC

dasil003 wrote: post #7

compycom wrote: post #6

Open source has become yet another way for big tech companies to exploit laborers. If you are an independent developer working on an open source project without a copy-left license, you are a fool.

Even with copyleft it's now a situation where AWS will do a cleanroom implementation of your API and neuter your market.

Oracle might "fix" that?

Re: The Few, the Tired, the Open Source Coders

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Post by Groxx » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 2:19 AM UTC

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #8

I can’t read the article. I’m very interested, but Wired has become such a cesspool of popovers, pop ups, advertising, tracking, and general dark patterns that I just can’t go there... even with an ad blocker the experience is annoying and sucky. What happened to them?

The cure for insufficient ad blocking is more ad blocking.

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    ! the following comments/etc links
    ##.itemlist .athing:has(.sitestr:contains(wired.com)) + tr 
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Re: The Few, the Tired, the Open Source Coders

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Post by iRomain » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 2:22 AM UTC

cageface wrote: post #14

brodouevencode wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The language is a bit too extreme in my view. You release OSS knowing that anyone can come and pick it up. Even if they make a dime off your sweat. Pick your license, fine, but there's no reason for the devs to get upset about it because there's no lack of information out there. That being said, companies should kick down some love to the OSS projects they use. Especially big companies for which it's just a charitabl…

At every company I've worked I've lobbied for us to make donations to open source projects we depend on. Every single time it quietly dies in legal. There must be a better way.

OSS could use similar licensing as some SaaS where it's free for personal use or commercial use up to certain limits and then you have to pay. This would ensure developers can use it freely but at some time a company would have to either pay it or ditch it.

However I see two issues with this model: - the community will shit on it like it's not real OSS - big companies will start banning the use of such licenses

The other alternatives many are doing are paid support, priority issues for sponsors, paid for issues, etc.

Re: The Few, the Tired, the Open Source Coders

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Post by kayson » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 2:24 AM UTC

This is really evident even in small projects. Many (most?) open source developers have full time day jobs often in software development. Adding the responsibilities of not only the software but also project management and customer service can be a huge burden. I think it's the combination that leads to a lot of dead projects. Then of course you have the other end of things with projects like Docker or Ansible that have large teams and often corporate funding but just can't keep up with the sheer firehose of issues and PRs.