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Re: Linode launches native IPv6 support

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Post by sp332 » Tue, May 03, 2011, 9:24 PM UTC

joeyh wrote: post #4

Wow, just one IPv6 address for free, pay for the rest. Granted, you're paying for addresses pooled among hosts with failover, which could be well worth paying for. But come on Linode, a single IPv6 address allocation is ridiculous. Update: Found this post by caker (linode guy) http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7055&highlight=i... He mentions a third option involving a /64, does not mention if it will cost extra…

For perspective: IANA instructs RIRs to allocate no less than a /32 to each customer. That leaves 32 bits for those customers to resell smaller subnets, usually /64. 32 bits is as much as the entire IPv4 Internet, so they can sell as many /64 subnets as there are individual computers on the IPv4 Internet. So even if Linode only bought 1 of these /64 subnets, they would have 64 bits of address space to allocate to their customers. I think they can spare more than one :)

Re: Linode launches native IPv6 support

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Post by ramidarigaz » Tue, May 03, 2011, 9:27 PM UTC

I'm really glad to see IPv6. I dearly love Linode. But only one address?

Re: Linode launches native IPv6 support

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Post by joeyh » Tue, May 03, 2011, 9:30 PM UTC

rgraham wrote: post #5

Are they just thumbing the nose at rackspace/slicehost here? I'm amused either way. They should offer a credit or discount for switching right now. I think it'd convert like mad.

Not really. Ipv6 support has been an open and much-discussed wishlist feature on the Linode forums for ages, and a few months ago they finally committed to providing it ASAP.

Re: Linode launches native IPv6 support

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Post by joeyh » Tue, May 03, 2011, 9:34 PM UTC

sp332 wrote: post #11

joeyh wrote: post #4

Wow, just one IPv6 address for free, pay for the rest. Granted, you're paying for addresses pooled among hosts with failover, which could be well worth paying for. But come on Linode, a single IPv6 address allocation is ridiculous. Update: Found this post by caker (linode guy) http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7055&highlight=i... He mentions a third option involving a /64, does not mention if it will cost extra…

For perspective: IANA instructs RIRs to allocate no less than a /32 to each customer. That leaves 32 bits for those customers to resell smaller subnets, usually /64. 32 bits is as much as the entire IPv4 Internet, so they can sell as many /64 subnets as there are individual computers on the IPv4 Internet. So even if Linode only bought 1 of these /64 subnets, they would have 64 bits of address space to allocate to the…

And it's not just academic, consider if you want to run lots of https and support browsers that don't support https on one address. Not to mention all the applications for many addresses that should develop if/when ipv6 is widespread.

As a further datapoint, I have two systems with native ipv6, and each have a /64.

Re: Linode launches native IPv6 support

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Post by wewyor » Tue, May 03, 2011, 9:50 PM UTC

joeyh wrote: post #4

Wow, just one IPv6 address for free, pay for the rest. Granted, you're paying for addresses pooled among hosts with failover, which could be well worth paying for. But come on Linode, a single IPv6 address allocation is ridiculous. Update: Found this post by caker (linode guy) http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7055&highlight=i... He mentions a third option involving a /64, does not mention if it will cost extra…

I really hope it is some sort of mistake, arpnetworks give you a /48 but I believe you are limited to /64 by default.

Even so though tunnel brokers give out /64's and having to pay for that with native support would be rather silly.

Re: Linode launches native IPv6 support

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Post by marshray » Tue, May 03, 2011, 9:54 PM UTC

jmillikin wrote: post #7

> Can I get more than one IPv6 address? > > A single IPv6 address can be assigned to your Linode for free. I hope this is a misunderstanding -- if not, it's actually a huge step backwards. The current solution for IPv6 in linode (HE tunnel to static IPv4 address) gives each node a full /64. It could be argued that this is a bit excessive, but it seems fairly typical, and lets you do useful things like serve multiple…

This will soon be the biggest barrier to support of IPv6: the cash they make from leasing and selling their allocated IPv4 address space.

Re: Linode launches native IPv6 support

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Post by magamiako » Tue, May 03, 2011, 10:12 PM UTC

jmillikin wrote: post #7

> Can I get more than one IPv6 address? > > A single IPv6 address can be assigned to your Linode for free. I hope this is a misunderstanding -- if not, it's actually a huge step backwards. The current solution for IPv6 in linode (HE tunnel to static IPv4 address) gives each node a full /64. It could be argued that this is a bit excessive, but it seems fairly typical, and lets you do useful things like serve multiple…

This is the plan. And that's the intent. They still want to make money off of addressing even though they shouldn't.

Re: Linode launches native IPv6 support

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Post by swajr » Tue, May 03, 2011, 10:23 PM UTC

jmillikin wrote: post #7

> Can I get more than one IPv6 address? > > A single IPv6 address can be assigned to your Linode for free. I hope this is a misunderstanding -- if not, it's actually a huge step backwards. The current solution for IPv6 in linode (HE tunnel to static IPv4 address) gives each node a full /64. It could be argued that this is a bit excessive, but it seems fairly typical, and lets you do useful things like serve multiple…

The owner of Linode (caker) has clarified on IRC stating that the /128 will be provided to each node, however they will also provide a /64 per datacenter, per account upon request for a nominal fee. The /64 will be routed to your /128 so that you can control how the addresses in your /64 are handed out. The fee has not been disclosed, yet.

Re: Linode launches native IPv6 support

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Post by marshray » Tue, May 03, 2011, 10:31 PM UTC

joeyh wrote: post #14

sp332 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For perspective: IANA instructs RIRs to allocate no less than a /32 to each customer. That leaves 32 bits for those customers to resell smaller subnets, usually /64. 32 bits is as much as the entire IPv4 Internet, so they can sell as many /64 subnets as there are individual computers on the IPv4 Internet. So even if Linode only bought 1 of these /64 subnets, they would have 64 bits of address space to allocate to the…

And it's not just academic, consider if you want to run lots of https and support browsers that don't support https on one address. Not to mention all the applications for many addresses that should develop if/when ipv6 is widespread. As a further datapoint, I have two systems with native ipv6, and each have a /64.

consider if you want to run lots of https and support browsers that don't support https on one address

Then Linode expects you to pay more money for the privilege of doing that. They got paid per-https-site over IPv4, they want their cut on IPv6 too.

Re: Linode launches native IPv6 support

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Post by nwmcsween » Tue, May 03, 2011, 10:31 PM UTC

Considering Linode's main datacenter is he.net in Fremont, CA I don't see why they are billing for ipv6 as it's free for them. Also he.net in fremont has ridiculously cheap bandwidth and colo pricing with routes a bit better than cogent which isn't really saying much.