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Twitter may slow down users’ ability to ‘like’ tweets containing misinformation

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Re: Twitter may slow down users’ ability to ‘like’ tweets containing misinformation

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Post by rorykoehler »

OneGuy123 wrote: post #5
iso1631 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I look out my window and see it's chucking it down I post "It's currently sunny where I live" That's misinformation.

To compare "its sunny but I said it's raining" and the media reporting complex is beyond stupid. How can you even compare? It's silly that there exist people in the modern age who still believe the news. And it's these lying news (who are private owned) who define "misinformation".

I've seen enough people fall into this trap where they correctly identify the out of control corruption and destruction of our current economic system and therefore conclude that QAnon must be the objective truth. How they go from A to conclude B on this one? I have no idea. There-in lies the issue with all these disinformation campaigns. We live in hypernormal times and few are equipped to make sense of it.

Re: Twitter may slow down users’ ability to ‘like’ tweets containing misinformation

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Post by OneGuy123 »

giuliomagnifico wrote: post #9

Sounds good to me. Twitter is not really slowing down the like action, but it will say to you only “hey, this may be a fake news, are you sure you want like it?”. People are stupid, in a perfect world this is useless but we live here...

Ironicaly you missed the most important point: who decides what is fake news?

You still don't get it that _NO ONE_ can claim they know what is/is not fake news because everyone has their own incentives.

Re: Twitter may slow down users’ ability to ‘like’ tweets containing misinformation

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Post by OneGuy123 »

rorykoehler wrote: post #11
OneGuy123 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To compare "its sunny but I said it's raining" and the media reporting complex is beyond stupid. How can you even compare? It's silly that there exist people in the modern age who still believe the news. And it's these lying news (who are private owned) who define "misinformation".

I've seen enough people fall into this trap where they correctly identify the out of control corruption and destruction of our current economic system and therefore conclude that QAnon must be the objective truth. How they go from A to conclude B on this one? I have no idea. There-in lies the issue with all these disinformation campaigns. We live in hypernormal times and few are equipped to make sense of it.

Strawman, I never mentioned QAnon.

> We live in hypernormal times and few are equipped to make sense of it

EDIT: no, there are not "few" equipped. Because no one knows who is lying NO ONE is equipped.

Re: Twitter may slow down users’ ability to ‘like’ tweets containing misinformation

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Post by rorykoehler »

OneGuy123 wrote: post #7
OneGuy123 wrote: post #3

Who defines "misinformation"? The mainstream media? "If the news are fake imagine history". People need to understand that NO ONE can define what is "misinformation" because all sides have incentives to lie. This is purely thought policing.

Also I must say it's ironic that on a site with a bunch of programmers you still get downvoted for posting the fact that the media lies and that you cannot do anything other than laugh when the media decides to become "disinfo fact checkers". Do people really believe that when a company says "we will become independent fact checkers" that that is even possible? Did you learn nothing from your past experiences of what…

I'm pretty sure no one here thinks what you proposed. The issue is that those protesting are also claiming to have the objective truth when most likely their "truth" is even further removed from the object truth than the mainstream media's is.

Re: Twitter may slow down users’ ability to ‘like’ tweets containing misinformation

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Post by 0xy »

Among 30 news organisations in the United States, none of them were trusted by more than 50% of Americans according to Pew Research. [1]

This indicates the dramatic damage done to news organisations when they have been caught in egregious lies and falsehoods, again and again.

Remember, when Twitter cites "official sources", it doesn't mean it's correct, or even that it's not totally fabricated. It means it's probably partisan-slanted "news" written by discredited media organisations.

Even news organisations that are generally trusted on HN have enormous bias and propensity for lies.

Such as the Washington Post falsely claiming Russia hacked critical US energy infrastructure, then retracting the fabricated claim altogether. [2] Or NPR claiming the victim driver of a vehicle during a protest who was attacked violently by gun-wielding assailants was a "right-wing extremist", which was nuked without retraction (they did not apologise for the slanderous claim). [3] [4]

The Associated Press, a self-claimed non-partisan news organisation, falsely claimed the Trump campaign detained 100,000 migrant children, while the actual truth was that it was orchestrated during the Obama administration. Reuters, AFP and NPR also participated in this fabrication. [5] [6] [7]

[1] https://www.journalism.org/2020/01/24/u-s-media-polarization...

[2] https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/12/31/1533245/washington-p...

[3] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbEIlsUUcAACYht?format=jpg&name=...

[4] https://www.wave3.com/2020/06/18/protesters-arrested-followi...

[5] https://abcstlouis.com/news/nation-world/retractions-issued-...

[6] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/multiple-outlets-retract-stor...

[7] https://www.imediaethics.org/ap-afp-reuters-npr-retract-chil...

Re: Twitter may slow down users’ ability to ‘like’ tweets containing misinformation

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Post by lhnz »

There will be tweets with tens of thousands of likes/retweets saying "Are others able to like this?" and so the information will be streissand effected to many more people.

Additionally, if the media makes the wrong call due to insufficient evidence at the time or bias, then they could take a hit to their reputation.

It will almost become tactical for the original posters to hold back evidence and wait for their "misinformation" categorisation and then to "disprove" this to make the censors look like liars.

Re: Twitter may slow down users’ ability to ‘like’ tweets containing misinformation

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Post by rorykoehler »

OneGuy123 wrote: post #13
rorykoehler wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen enough people fall into this trap where they correctly identify the out of control corruption and destruction of our current economic system and therefore conclude that QAnon must be the objective truth. How they go from A to conclude B on this one? I have no idea. There-in lies the issue with all these disinformation campaigns. We live in hypernormal times and few are equipped to make sense of it.

Strawman, I never mentioned QAnon. > We live in hypernormal times and few are equipped to make sense of it EDIT: no, there are not "few" equipped. Because no one knows who is lying NO ONE is equipped.

Knowing that means you are equipped. I wasn't aiming the QAnon thing at you. I agree in general with your comments but know they must be qualified with the fact that you are discrediting all sources of information until you learn more. A healthy scepticism is essential to navigate this world.

Re: Twitter may slow down users’ ability to ‘like’ tweets containing misinformation

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Post by aww_dang »

OneGuy123 wrote: post #7
OneGuy123 wrote: post #3

Who defines "misinformation"? The mainstream media? "If the news are fake imagine history". People need to understand that NO ONE can define what is "misinformation" because all sides have incentives to lie. This is purely thought policing.

Also I must say it's ironic that on a site with a bunch of programmers you still get downvoted for posting the fact that the media lies and that you cannot do anything other than laugh when the media decides to become "disinfo fact checkers". Do people really believe that when a company says "we will become independent fact checkers" that that is even possible? Did you learn nothing from your past experiences of what…

From where I stand, I can't conceive of how it would be possible for fallible men to observe perfectly, recall it exactly and express it within the limits of imperfect language. This is all before you get into the problems of dishonesty and conflicts of interest.

Of course the above would not include abstractions like two parallel lines will never meet or overly simplistic hypotheticals.

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