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Creating an open database of wifi and cell networks all over the world

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Re: Creating an open database of wifi and cell networks all over the world

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Post by jaredsohn »

aditya42 wrote: post #10
soult wrote: post #9

The problem with Crowdflow is the way they get the data. Instead of collecting their own data using GPS, WiFi SSIDs and Cell Tower IDs they ask users to submit their iPhone location data cache. This cache is filled from Apple's own location database and from the Skyhook database. So they are, in a way, scraping data from those two databases, which will probably lead to licensing issues. Now, if there were an open dat…

What licensing issues? It's your phone, your data. I don't think Apple gets to say what you get to do with your data on your phone. If it was on Apple's servers, maybe they would have a case. Plus, it's data that Apple shouldn't have been storing (in its current state, anyway) in the first place.

Then you could make a similar argument for Microsoft scraping Google search results via their browser toolbar.

Writing code that has users doing the scraping for you is still scraping.

Re: Creating an open database of wifi and cell networks all over the world

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Post by gojomo »

soult wrote: post #9

The problem with Crowdflow is the way they get the data. Instead of collecting their own data using GPS, WiFi SSIDs and Cell Tower IDs they ask users to submit their iPhone location data cache. This cache is filled from Apple's own location database and from the Skyhook database. So they are, in a way, scraping data from those two databases, which will probably lead to licensing issues. Now, if there were an open dat…

In the US, by the Feist precedent [1], strictly factual directory information isn't copyrightable. Now, Apple Legal could surely muster some case that Apple has creatively enhanced this data, but their strategic interests might be more helped by examples of legitimate user-embraced uses than a strong claim of proprietary ownership.

(To the extent that there is creative expression in the individual users' logs, it could be in their choice of travel routes, making the user the holder of some copyright interest in the time- and space-ordered paths.)

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_v._Rural

Re: Creating an open database of wifi and cell networks all over the world

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Post by ratsbane »

aw3c2 wrote: post #6
donpdonp wrote: post #5

http://geomena.org does this too, with a creative commons license. Firefox can be configured to use Geomena as the geolocation provider (instead of google).

This looks like a nice project. I wish the Android client was available in the market or at least for download as .apk Also a map would nice to see the current status of the whole database.

Wardrive is available for Android and it's open source: https://github.com/topgenorth/wardrive-android

It uploads to WiGLE.

Re: Creating an open database of wifi and cell networks all over the world

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Post by ortusdux »

aw3c2 wrote: post #7

Gorgeous visualisations here: http://crowdflow.net/blog/2011/04/27/first-results/ I wish they would make the database available right here right now. Also I would like to contribute with my Android phone.

This app could get the job done.

https://market.android.com/details?id=ki.wardrive

Re: Creating an open database of wifi and cell networks all over the world

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Post by caf »

aditya42 wrote: post #10
soult wrote: post #9

The problem with Crowdflow is the way they get the data. Instead of collecting their own data using GPS, WiFi SSIDs and Cell Tower IDs they ask users to submit their iPhone location data cache. This cache is filled from Apple's own location database and from the Skyhook database. So they are, in a way, scraping data from those two databases, which will probably lead to licensing issues. Now, if there were an open dat…

What licensing issues? It's your phone, your data. I don't think Apple gets to say what you get to do with your data on your phone. If it was on Apple's servers, maybe they would have a case. Plus, it's data that Apple shouldn't have been storing (in its current state, anyway) in the first place.

The data on the phone isn't observations made by the phone of the location of base stations and access points. It's just a cached subset of access point / location (and base station / location) pairs from an existing, online database.

Re: Creating an open database of wifi and cell networks all over the world

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Post by Maxious »

OpenSignalMaps? OpenBmap? Cellhunter? OpenCellID?

If you've got an android device, OpenSignalMaps and OpenBmap have clients to monitor wifi/cell towers although I prefer OpenBmap for making their data available for download again ("open"SignalMaps just makes maps for website/client).

Re: Creating an open database of wifi and cell networks all over the world

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Post by ghotli »

Disclaimer: I work at American Roamer.

We actually track the marketed patterns that the carriers around the world say they have. In my analysis a lot of these open source ones are pretty messy datasets that wouldn't really add to our products. Although there are a few datasets here in the comments I haven't been exposed to before so I'm hoping they are more useful.

http://www.americanroamer.com/

Re: Creating an open database of wifi and cell networks all over the world

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Post by sinak »

Maxious wrote: post #16

OpenSignalMaps? OpenBmap? Cellhunter? OpenCellID? If you've got an android device, OpenSignalMaps and OpenBmap have clients to monitor wifi/cell towers although I prefer OpenBmap for making their data available for download again ("open"SignalMaps just makes maps for website/client).

Hey Maxious - I'm one of the opensignalmaps guys. We're working on opening up our data, we're just trying to figure out the best way to go about it.
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