I look forward to diplomatic Signal messages being leaked to the public immediately.
EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]
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#12We need to establish the use of encryption as a basic human right. I'm so tired of this cropping up every couple years.
First step is finding a way to educate the mainstream (including politicians) on the dangers of master keys and backdoors. It is too easy for many politicians and security agencies to think that their master keys and backdoors won't ever fall into the wrong hands, that they're careful, etc. And if you point out the problem, they'll tell you they'll be even more careful. Think about it from a non-techie perspective. I…
The mainstream doesn't care about human rights, they will always fall for the children/terrorism traps
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#13We need to establish the use of encryption as a basic human right. I'm so tired of this cropping up every couple years.
I fully subscribe to this point. It comes up, then it either gets voted out or doesn't even come that far.
What baffles me though is that such blatant power-grabs are being introduced, and that anyone thinks that anything would be better off afterwards. Surveillance is going to get more difficult, not easier unless you want to spy on middle-aged people talking about fishing or sour dough recipes.
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#14strange, they choose signal to communicate https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/24/21150918/european-commiss...
These things usually boil down to: You must not do as I do, you must do what I tell you to.
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#15We need to establish the use of encryption as a basic human right. I'm so tired of this cropping up every couple years.
First step is finding a way to educate the mainstream (including politicians) on the dangers of master keys and backdoors. It is too easy for many politicians and security agencies to think that their master keys and backdoors won't ever fall into the wrong hands, that they're careful, etc. And if you point out the problem, they'll tell you they'll be even more careful. Think about it from a non-techie perspective. I…
Non-techies most certainly understand what encryption is and if you describe what 'end' in the WhatsApp notice about end to end encryption means, it's very clear to them.
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#16This shows that the attack was planned by the powers that be, if not planned at least not actively blocked.
It was 1 guy with a weapon that the Austrian secret service was warned about. The media made it 6 people doing a huge thing, in the end it was just 1 guy with an AK47 apparently. Austrian intelligence was warned by the Slovaks about him and they let him do regardless. Just like the 9/11 stuff, they knew what was coming and they allowed it because it suited their political agenda.
1 guy shooting around doesn't justify chat apps being monitored. This is a political setup.
We need to leave the EU ASAP.
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#17We need to establish the use of encryption as a basic human right. I'm so tired of this cropping up every couple years.
> Article 8: Right to privacy
- Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.
- There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
(I'm not feeling bright enough to comment but this seems extremely relevant)
[0] https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/human-rights-act/arti...
Re: EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]
#18We need to establish the use of encryption as a basic human right. I'm so tired of this cropping up every couple years.
It pretty much is, section 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states:
> No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
I mean wearing my programmer goggles it doesn't state privacy AND correspondence but OR, but still. Not having your personal conversations get intercepted is not too much to ask for, is it?
I mean I get it, if they have a reasonable suspicion they CAN intercept your communications (listening devices, intercepting the phone conversations), but this is not a right they can claim on anyone, and they shouldn't be able to force companies to allow them to listen in. Not arbitrarily anyway (see: Snowden revelations, where it was proven that the NSA just hoovers up anything and retroactively checks if there's anything wrong in there)
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#19The article makes it sound like a done deal. Is that really the case?
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#20So to which EU politician do I send GDPR complaint to? The EU politicians have completely isolated themselves from the common folk through their bureaucratical system.
In that regard, is any large organisation different?
I tried to convince the UK government this was a terrible idea when the Investigatory Powers Act was going through. I failed to make any difference at all to any part of it, but I did learn about Select Committees while trying to find out which MP I had to try to convince given my local MP was a powerless newbie.