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Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by kristopolous »

tyingq wrote: post #9
gambiting wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but it's "yet another" dongle for this machine which is meant to be an easy to use all-in-one friendly to beginners. Them using micro HDMI is already bizarre seeing as there's loads of room for a full size port and most people will need a dongle/adapter here, but not including an audio jack is crazy, seeing as the proper Rpi4 does have one!

You would also want a dongle that has a driver already bundled with the OS. Not sure if that's typical or not. Probably unlikely that the dongle itself comes with a suitable ARM/Linux driver.

I'll say you're fine again having done this a few times already. It's always just worked

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by PostThisTooFast »

gambiting wrote: post #7
kristopolous wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USB audio dongles are super cheap. You can get 2 of them for about $10. If I was on the design team for it I could eventually come around to being fine with it.

Yes, but it's "yet another" dongle for this machine which is meant to be an easy to use all-in-one friendly to beginners. Them using micro HDMI is already bizarre seeing as there's loads of room for a full size port and most people will need a dongle/adapter here, but not including an audio jack is crazy, seeing as the proper Rpi4 does have one!

The micro-HDMI blows indeed.

Ugh, I didn’t know about the missing headphone jack. WTF.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by vaccinator »

tyingq wrote: post #2

"The 400 doesn’t have an audio-out." That does seem like a miss for an otherwise decent platform. HDMI out support is fine, but since this setup is quite portable, exposing a headphone jack seems obvious. I suppose bluetooth is the expectation now?

A portable computer like this is probably more likely to be plugged in a TV, like at hotels.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by tyingq »

vaccinator wrote: post #13
tyingq wrote: post #2

"The 400 doesn’t have an audio-out." That does seem like a miss for an otherwise decent platform. HDMI out support is fine, but since this setup is quite portable, exposing a headphone jack seems obvious. I suppose bluetooth is the expectation now?

A portable computer like this is probably more likely to be plugged in a TV, like at hotels.

Not everyone likes their hotel porn going through the speakers :)

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by stock_toaster »

kristopolous wrote: post #5
tyingq wrote: post #2

"The 400 doesn’t have an audio-out." That does seem like a miss for an otherwise decent platform. HDMI out support is fine, but since this setup is quite portable, exposing a headphone jack seems obvious. I suppose bluetooth is the expectation now?

USB audio dongles are super cheap. You can get 2 of them for about $10. If I was on the design team for it I could eventually come around to being fine with it.

I think it has bluetooth too, so that could be another possibility.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

#16

Post by gruturo »

tyingq wrote: post #9
gambiting wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but it's "yet another" dongle for this machine which is meant to be an easy to use all-in-one friendly to beginners. Them using micro HDMI is already bizarre seeing as there's loads of room for a full size port and most people will need a dongle/adapter here, but not including an audio jack is crazy, seeing as the proper Rpi4 does have one!

You would also want a dongle that has a driver already bundled with the OS. Not sure if that's typical or not. Probably unlikely that the dongle itself comes with a suitable ARM/Linux driver.

I add my voice to the chorus of complaints about dongles, but for the record you could also use an inline HDMI audio extractor which is invisible to the OS and requires no drivers for sure. They are also very cheap.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by Theodores »

> I own several Raspberry Pi computers (1, 2 and 3)... All of them sit in a box, unused. I’ve played with them, then put them away. Part of that is because the performance hasn’t been that great, but the form factor is a major factor. It feels like the Raspberry Pi 400 has the power I need (for casual projects), and comes in a form factor that I can happily leave plugged in on my desk.

Amazing how the addition of a keyboard changes things, with the keyboard being a great box. The snazzy design is definitely a further add that lures me in to wanting one. I too have Pi's in boxes, unused.

What I would like is a backlit keyboard version. I am already spending £100 on keyboards so this is achievable. I would program mine so that the keyboard appeared over bluetooth to my main computer from where I would ssh into my Pi to do things like run a web server. For a long time I have wanted to do local development of web projects on a separate box so there is a clear break between client and server but everything is local.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by davidhyde »

tyingq wrote: post #2

"The 400 doesn’t have an audio-out." That does seem like a miss for an otherwise decent platform. HDMI out support is fine, but since this setup is quite portable, exposing a headphone jack seems obvious. I suppose bluetooth is the expectation now?

The on-board sound quality on the raspberry pi line has traditionally been quite poor so you probably want a dedicated sound dongle anyway especially if you are using headphones. This is an article about the model b+. It's an older version than the 4 but explains the problem just as well since the 4 still uses PWM instead of a DAC.

http://www.crazy-audio.com/2014/07/sound-quality-of-the-rasp...

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by iso947 »

tyingq wrote: post #9
gambiting wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but it's "yet another" dongle for this machine which is meant to be an easy to use all-in-one friendly to beginners. Them using micro HDMI is already bizarre seeing as there's loads of room for a full size port and most people will need a dongle/adapter here, but not including an audio jack is crazy, seeing as the proper Rpi4 does have one!

You would also want a dongle that has a driver already bundled with the OS. Not sure if that's typical or not. Probably unlikely that the dongle itself comes with a suitable ARM/Linux driver.

Hardware in linux tends to just work
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