Horizontal totalitarianism in life and literature
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#13What a cargo-culting piece of a hot mess... It's not "totalitarianism" if people get tired of your whatever-ism . It's basic human nature. Instead of decrying that mechanism, be happy that people tell you to shut up/stop inviting you to parties/block you on Twitter. Because all those are low-intensity interventions. They give you essential feedback, and do so rather early in the process. Most importantly, they make i…
These two things do not contradict each other. Given how often do ideologically controlled societies emerge throughout history, I would argue that basic human nature contains some seeds of totalitarian thought: "Shut up the heretic, or better kill him."
"be happy that people tell you to shut up/stop inviting you to parties/block you on Twitter."
That is not what the author had in mind (probably). The consequences such as being fired or expelled from a school are what bothers people like him and probably me.
There isn't a clean 1-0 spectrum of "being told to shut up o Twitter" and "being thrown in prison". Consequences such as being fired from your job are somewhere in the middle, not totally devastating, but still causing a pretty strong chilling effect. This is a pretty serious punishment that should be used sparingly, not over a stupid Tweet.
I am almost certain that over next 10-20 years, current willingness of bosses or directors to act on Twitter mobbing will be seen akin to other hysterias of the past.
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#14People see and relish technology as a good totalitarianism because it can be leveraged to make good citizens. They believe it’s a “lite” and thus good totalitarianism because it can be used to cow people into proper acceptable norms.
He points out that while for now its adherents blindly love it because it’s used for “good” causes, the burying and delegitimization of dissent (however good or bad) is worrisome.
I would agree. A free society while it should strive for good and improvement must allow dissent in order to avoid blind pitfalls. Today everything is black or white and nothing is allowed to meander betwixt.
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#15What a mess. In small tribes social control can be directly maintained as members have perfect knowledge of any individual’s reputation. This mechanism doesn’t scale beyond a few hundred individuals so institutions such as hierarchical organized religion were invented. We have established words (oppression) and jargon (social control) for this already. The author has decorated an old concept with new jargon and is pa…
What evidence is there that progressive movements are actually seeking to upend anything? Seems to me they've been culturally dominant in America (i.e. they control the schools, the media, entertainment, government bureaucracy and now Big Tech) for over a century, and have this been influential in the rest of the West.
As far as I can tell, progressive movements like BLM and MeToo are absolutely attempting to preserve the existing order. After all, these movements and groups are well-funded by the very people you suggest they are trying to take down. These movements and groups (and you?) appear to cheer 1% of the population holding 99% of the wealth as long as that 1% is 50% female, 14% black, 5% percent LGBT or whatever, etc.
The intellectual lie you begin with is that progressives don't already have a complete monopoly over the relevant cultural power.
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> Insanely, Rodriguez points to...
Also, if I were you, I might be cautious about using the I-word. It's already banned from being in any commits at Google.
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#16Just a few people meme a hopeful idea into existence. Then you get the idealists, maybe 0.1%. Then the 1% of angry people latch onto it as enforcers. Then the 10% of people looking for acceptance send virtue signals of agreement. Half the rest agree out of apathy, and the remains keep quiet out of fear.
This is a game of telephone. The final form may be nothing like the ideal.
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#17What a mess. In small tribes social control can be directly maintained as members have perfect knowledge of any individual’s reputation. This mechanism doesn’t scale beyond a few hundred individuals so institutions such as hierarchical organized religion were invented. We have established words (oppression) and jargon (social control) for this already. The author has decorated an old concept with new jargon and is pa…
> Ah. Rodriguez resents progressive movements that seek to upend the current social hierarchy (presumably because Rodriguez enjoys exerting social control far more than experiencing it) and has coined this new jargon to associate movements he dislikes with a reviled term (totalitarianism) > > Rodriguez begins with an intellectual lie, then uses it to advance the idea that anti-racist and anti-misogynist movements are…
Explain to me how BLM controlled America in the 1920s.
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#18I don't think rigid totalitarianism is a stable solution at all, long term. A society that isn't somewhat elastic has no hopes of overcoming unprecedented challenges; it's bound to fall apart. And even though China's social credit system seems hopelessly Orwellian, I'm confident that its architects are aware that faulty design might inadvertently render China fragile. Tanner Greer at The Scholar's Stage has written a…
> I don't think rigid totalitarianism is a stable solution at all, long term. Long term we are all dead and universe is graveyard of the stars. Totalitarianism for all its many faults seems more stable than democracies. People are willing to trade freedom for stability. > When people spend time together, they become more similar. Is that "horizontal totalitarianism"? Or is that just a very obvious observation of huma…
This causes a huge disaparity of wealth which is often exploited by another politician.
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#20What a mess. In small tribes social control can be directly maintained as members have perfect knowledge of any individual’s reputation. This mechanism doesn’t scale beyond a few hundred individuals so institutions such as hierarchical organized religion were invented. We have established words (oppression) and jargon (social control) for this already. The author has decorated an old concept with new jargon and is pa…
They seek to advance the interests of people on top of the current social hierarchy. Most stakeholders who have influence on modern society seem to support these movements and don’t feel threatened by it.