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RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Any reason why youtube-dl hasn't filed a counter-takedown notice?

This isn't a 512 notice, so a counternotice is not possible.

Really? I thought that every dmca notice was counterable. GitHub simply took down the repo with no recourse? That doesn’t sound right.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a 512 notice, so a counternotice is not possible.

Really? I thought that every dmca notice was counterable. GitHub simply took down the repo with no recourse? That doesn’t sound right.

Every notice is. This wasn't a notice.

The recourse is filing a declaratory judgement to establish the legality of the code.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a 512 notice, so a counternotice is not possible.

Really? I thought that every dmca notice was counterable. GitHub simply took down the repo with no recourse? That doesn’t sound right.

> [T]he RIAA was not citing DMCA Section 512, the usual takedown route, but DMCA Section 1201, the ban on breaking digital locks. [1]

[1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/11/github-youtube-dl-take...

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Any reason why youtube-dl hasn't filed a counter-takedown notice?

Copy-pasting a comment of mine from a related thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24886260):

They might decide not to counter-notice, because there's a big trap in the DMCA counter-notice: as far as I know, for a DMCA counter-notice to be valid, the one doing the counter-notice must agree to be bound to the jurisdiction of an USA court. If the youtube-dl author is not from the USA (I think he's from the EU), that would expose him to legal risk.

(As a non-USA person, to me this is the most evil part of the DMCA take-down system: even a defective DMCA notice leads to a dilemma, either you keep the content offline, or you risk being sued in a foreign jurisdiction you have no control over. This is also why I believe one should always prefer to host in one's own country, so that any dispute can be resolved by the local courts.)

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I thought that every dmca notice was counterable. GitHub simply took down the repo with no recourse? That doesn’t sound right.

Every notice is. This wasn't a notice. The recourse is filing a declaratory judgement to establish the legality of the code.

> The recourse is filing a declaratory judgement to establish the legality of the code.

Which is expensive relative to the resources of some individuals doing this as a hobby, so some kind of legal defense fund may be in order.

Of course, the other option is to put enough pressure on Github/Microsoft to get them to be the ones to defend it, since it's not that expensive relative to the resources of a trillion dollar corporation, and they could quite plausibly have more to gain in positive PR with developers (or in avoiding continued negative PR) than they pay to the lawyers they probably already have on staff.

We shouldn't forgive companies who do the wrong thing on issues like this, because the cost of people not forgiving them is a major incentive for them not to do the wrong thing.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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But now there is no official fork of youtube-dl, so development will either stop or be fragmented. And users will not want to trust any given fork, so downloads will taper off.

If the original creator endorses a fork, is he making himself liable? - not sure what happens if you repost after a takedown notice.

And the involvement of the law, and the publicity will lead overall to self-censoring, as most devs won't want to deal with this...

Doesn't seem to me to making things worse for the RIAA

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Does one imagine that the RIAA is substantially worried about this? I don't. I'm sure they see it as a total win.

Agreed. If the people behind these take-down requests actually ended piracy, they'd be out of a job.

Don't be naive.

When they are done with open piracy they will move to other stuff.

Did you whistle a copyrighted tune in the elevator? You owe us money now.

(If you think I'm joking, look at Japan who jails musicians for 10+ years for playing covers at parties without paying royalties)

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