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New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikable, contemptible

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Re: New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikable, contemptible

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post #5

Talk to people from the other party. But not about politics.

It's hard because so much has become politicized. The dominant item in many people's lives right now is the coronavirus either directly or indirectly, which unfortunately has also become political.

Re: New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikable, contemptible

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My wife wrote a paper about this phenomenon. This happens in specific policy contexts as well as generally.

In political science, the phenomenon is called the “devil shift”, coined by Sabatier. Similarly, there is also the “angel shift”: you see people who agree with you as having more virtuous motivations.

My wife, Dr. Juniper Katz, wrote about these shifts in the fracking context: https://www.academia.edu/37275520/The_Space_Between_Demoniza...

Re: New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikable, contemptible

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post #5

Talk to people from the other party. But not about politics.

I agree, we are all human after all. But that's becoming more and more difficult. The divide between the left and the right is no longer revolving around ideology, politics, regulation, laws, etc. It's now become a matter of "life and death", "racism" and "violence" for a large chunk of the Left (and to some extent more and more from the Right too if I'm being honest). The slogans that are emerging are being sponged by the individuals on the ground, and that is starting to make reasonable non-political discussion next to impossible.

I.e. You can no longer mention in-passing that you support certain parties/politicians/political-beliefs.

Re: New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikable, contemptible

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It is very sad that the authors of the article either believed in all these accusations against the Russians or are afraid to say that this is nonsense so that they are not accused of supporting the Russians.

I want to note that the Russian government also accuses its political opponents of being foreign agents, using the same rhetoric.

Re: New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikable, contemptible

#16
post #6

Ironically, a lot of the world has seen the USA do this to everyone else for a while too. Too a lesser degree to their anglophone friends of course but the rest of the world is alien and unlikable all the same (with just as little arguments as you see in the political divide). I suppose one could argue that the isolationism/tribalism has simply expanded inwards as 'the rest of the world' has already been put in the '…

I doubt the phenomenon has anything to do with the US in the ROW.

Here in NL, a NATO member, it has been primarily the 'left' which has been painting groups with different opinions as 'nazis' 'fascists' etc. Vegans describing other people as murderers.

I blame this culture for our last political murder [0] which already happened in 2002.

This phenomenon is not new, I think it has to do with the dissolution of the USSR and with it, the ultimate defeat of the original ideals of the 'left'.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn

Re: New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikable, contemptible

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Peoples willingness to line up behind banners, flags and slogans without bothering to look at what those politicians are actually selling baffles me. I think if people from both sides were willing to ignore that and just sit down and talk about what kind of county they want to live in they would find they have a lot more in common than they think. I think this is what the article is proposing, and I think I agree with it.

Re: New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikable, contemptible

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post #10

Delete your twitter/facebook/reddit account. Seriously! Go do it now! These sites are built with the goal of pushing people into groups that are always angry at each other. Angry polarized groups spend more time on the site and are easier to sell things to. The only thing ignoring this trash will do is make you a happier, more functional person.

On some level yes. But the unfortunate side is that it's seeping into the overall culture and previously-benign and relatively apolitical institutions. That makes it dangerous to "ignore" and hope it goes away due to us all deciding to be reasonable and ignore the hateful and prominent voices that use social-media as a megaphone.

Some institutions being actively soaked in identity politics and other divisive elements:

Higher education

Lower Education

United Nations

Local government bodies

Charity Organizations

Sports

Re: New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikable, contemptible

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post #15

It is very sad that the authors of the article either believed in all these accusations against the Russians or are afraid to say that this is nonsense so that they are not accused of supporting the Russians. I want to note that the Russian government also accuses its political opponents of being foreign agents, using the same rhetoric.

It's well known that Russian trolls/bots use fake personas on social media in order to sow discord. Are you arguing that's not done at all, or that there is no evidence it's done in the article specific instance?

Here's an article examining how it's done in relation to anti-vaxx.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6137759/

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