See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24926214 for previous related discussion.
Public Apology to Jeremy Howard
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#12The context for those out of the loop: https://www.fast.ai/2020/10/28/code-of-conduct/
> NumFOCUS found I violated their Code of Conduct (CoC) at JupyterCon because my talk was not “kind”, because I said Joel Grus was “wrong” regarding his opinion that Jupyter Notebook is not a good software development environment
Wow.
Re: Public Apology to Jeremy Howard
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#14This blog post is unsigned. They should have put their names on it.
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#15A CoC is exactly as effective as the leadership that writes & enforces it. Sounds like the Board wasn’t happy with how this was enforced, so they stepped in.
Good on them. That said, maybe, uh, try and train your folks if you want them to enforce things like that.
Re: Public Apology to Jeremy Howard
#16The context for those out of the loop: https://www.fast.ai/2020/10/28/code-of-conduct/
and discussion:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24926214
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#17An interesting thing to think about is if they would apologize if this wasn't published in a blog and discussed online.
Let's say Jeremy just walked away quietly in disgust and didn't say anything publicly. What would have they done? I would guess that they would have chucked it under "We did a great job enforcing the code of conduct. Problem solved".
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#18Well, who was responsible for this exactly? Given the circumstances, they should do better than an amorphous "we".
The letter was signed by the The NumFOCUS Code of Conduct Enforcement Committee. The members of that committee are listed on their code of conduct site. Seems pretty transparent to me. https://numfocus.org/code-of-conduct#persons-responsible
They caused a lot of grief to a particular person. It is only appropriate to sign their apology with their own names rather than a "committee", don't you think?
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#19This is a good response as far as the actual process goes, but it doesn't really do anything to address the claims that "There were two totally different Codes of Conduct with different requirements linked in different places" and "I was held to a different, undocumented and uncommunicated standard"
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#20I'm going to get downvoted for this, but: I'm against code of conducts because they're worse than the problems they try to solve. edit: In my opinion, code of conducts become a distraction and a cause for worry to anyone contributing to these projects because someone inevitably gets their feelings hurt and points to some well-intentioned rule in the CoC to get the 'offender' shamed/removed even if no harm was intende…
I don't mean this as an attack, but I'm guessing you haven't been harassed/given unwanted attention at a conference.
It's easy to see codes of conduct as draconian or unnecessary if you can't empathize with the people they're designed to protect. I'm not saying the CoC system is perfect or that there aren't false positives, but your statement here is _dramatically_ privileged.