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How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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Re: How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What about the fact that they haven't announced a single new product category since the Apple Watch in 2014? AirPods (2016) are pretty popular. (edit: I listed some of Apple's recent new services here, but removed since the AirPods make the point by themselves. Apologies to user optimiz3 for leaving your comment dangling.)

A credit card is a bit of a stretch. Virtually every enterprise in existence has tried to get me to sign up for their in-house card since the mid 80s.

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Re: How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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iMessage is a true marketing innovation in America, where the only "alternatives" are Facebook and (barely usable) SMS. It restricts communication and makes life more difficult for everyone who doesn't have an iPhone, which in turn increases iPhone sales. Meanwhile, while holding basically infinite money, they pretend some patent troll is holding them back from making it cross-platform. Pure genius.

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Is the way "Apple is organized for innovation" the reason why XCode is so prone to crashing? Is it why so many of Apple's new APIs are lacking documentation? Is it the reason the iOS Simulator doesn't reliably export the accessibility tree needed to run XCUI tests without flaking half the time? What about the fact that they haven't announced a single new product category since the Apple Watch in 2014? To my mind, it…

> simply refine the innovations

This was always apples thing.

I mean even if we go back to the apple watch. Was it a new innovation? No, not at all. Other companies had produced similar products years before, just non did put enough mony into it to refine it to the degree Apple did.

Same goes for their ARM chips. They didn't invent them nor did they invent the idea of fast ARM chips. But they took and refined them over many product generations to now yield excellent results.

Same for ARM laptops.

Same for a lot of their software innovations.

Same for there camera.

Through it should be noted that for them to be able to refine thinks to that degree often some technological innovations are mixed in in-between.

But that's fine, constant refinement is often more use-full then complete new innovations without refinement.

Sadly sometimes the focus on what gets refined in which ways is pretty questionable.

In turn refinements you can't sell as innovation get neglected.

Also the developer is forced to work with Apple using apple tools so that is often neglected, too. Their is little insensitive for Apple to spend more money on things like that when this will not bring more Users or Developers to Apple.

Which is short sighted IMHO given how much money Apple has.

Re: How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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Is the way "Apple is organized for innovation" the reason why XCode is so prone to crashing? Is it why so many of Apple's new APIs are lacking documentation? Is it the reason the iOS Simulator doesn't reliably export the accessibility tree needed to run XCUI tests without flaking half the time? What about the fact that they haven't announced a single new product category since the Apple Watch in 2014? To my mind, it…

> it certainly seems as if Apple is actually organized to simply refine the innovations of its past

This takes innovation, too. Just because a product isn't a wholly new, virgin thing doesn't mean it isn't innovative.

The A-series chips aren't products themselves, for example, but they're certainly innovations. Apple is now the best mobile processor house in the world, and it isn't particularly close - who saw that coming?

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iMessage is a true marketing innovation in America, where the only "alternatives" are Facebook and (barely usable) SMS. It restricts communication and makes life more difficult for everyone who doesn't have an iPhone, which in turn increases iPhone sales. Meanwhile, while holding basically infinite money, they pretend some patent troll is holding them back from making it cross-platform. Pure genius.

> and (barely usable) SMS

What's the issue with SMS in the US? At least in Australia, SMS is no hindrance to messaging between Android and iOS apart from the colour of the bubbles.

Re: How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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post #12

iMessage is a true marketing innovation in America, where the only "alternatives" are Facebook and (barely usable) SMS. It restricts communication and makes life more difficult for everyone who doesn't have an iPhone, which in turn increases iPhone sales. Meanwhile, while holding basically infinite money, they pretend some patent troll is holding them back from making it cross-platform. Pure genius.

> and (barely usable) SMS What's the issue with SMS in the US? At least in Australia, SMS is no hindrance to messaging between Android and iOS apart from the colour of the bubbles.

The colour of the bubbles is a brilliant marketing play. People put peer pressure [1] on each other to “upgrade” their bubbles from the ugly green to the cool blue by buying an iPhone.

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/15/18624681/apple-imessage-a...

Re: How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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iMessage is a true marketing innovation in America, where the only "alternatives" are Facebook and (barely usable) SMS. It restricts communication and makes life more difficult for everyone who doesn't have an iPhone, which in turn increases iPhone sales. Meanwhile, while holding basically infinite money, they pretend some patent troll is holding them back from making it cross-platform. Pure genius.

> and (barely usable) SMS What's the issue with SMS in the US? At least in Australia, SMS is no hindrance to messaging between Android and iOS apart from the colour of the bubbles.

You never know if SMS actually arrived. Sure, it probably did. But sometimes, it didn’t. And you won’t know.

Re: How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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post #12

iMessage is a true marketing innovation in America, where the only "alternatives" are Facebook and (barely usable) SMS. It restricts communication and makes life more difficult for everyone who doesn't have an iPhone, which in turn increases iPhone sales. Meanwhile, while holding basically infinite money, they pretend some patent troll is holding them back from making it cross-platform. Pure genius.

> only "alternatives" are Facebook and (barely usable) SMS.

Why don't Americans use Telegram?

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