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Vint Cerf’s Plan for Building An Internet in Space

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Re: Vint Cerf’s Plan for Building An Internet in Space

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Post by 1_person »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #6
somesortofsystm wrote: post #5

I've always wondered about the feasibility of using space for temporary/short-term storage needs. I remember a time when, as a junior developer, I'd log into operations, and hand the operator my tape reel with my work for the day - and she'd go off, mount the spool, and start the streaming, until my files were available in local storage for a few hours, and then .. when logging out, I'd have the operator re-stream th…

I think the thing that you're missing is that there's no shortage of physical space right here? Said differently, why not build that satellite, load it up, and instead of launching it.... put it in the closet. Get it out when you need it. What advantages does that launch have?

I believe he's implying the use of the satellite as a repeater and the intervening space as a delay line

I do not think it's viable in any sense with launch costs but in a hypothetical scenario where you had something 20 light minutes away with a channel that had no better use you certainly could buffer 40 minutes of data on the channel

It is limited here not by the availability of space but the ability to collimate the signal and the availability of power density at the receiver to discern the signal from noise

Re: Vint Cerf’s Plan for Building An Internet in Space

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Post by qz2 »

robryk wrote: post #10
CGamesPlay wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the thing that you're missing is that there's no shortage of physical space right here? Said differently, why not build that satellite, load it up, and instead of launching it.... put it in the closet. Get it out when you need it. What advantages does that launch have?

GP doesn't want to store the data on the satellite, but rather use the space in-between as a Friday line storage. The satellite would be a repeater that retransmits what it receives. If it was 20 light minutes away, there would be 40 minutes worth of data in transit, so the whole system could store 40 minutes long circular buffer.

Might be a bit lossy :)

Re: Vint Cerf’s Plan for Building An Internet in Space

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Post by vaxman »

Vint Cerf and RMS ... what a pair.

Vint helped spread the Internet beyond borders and to every Windows computer on the planet via async (aka PPP aka RAS). Sounds so awesome, doesn't it?

Meanwhile old RMS, an academic with tenure/nearly guaranteed income for life, finished us all off by establishing a political system that attracted all of the young minds to give away their software in such a way as to allow adversarial countries to obtain a 30 YEAR technological jumps without spending a friggin' dime.

(If you had any doubt that was his plan, you need only read https://news.slashdot.org/story/07/04/21/2025226/rms-protest...)

Combined, they created a platform for extremely ignorant and naive people to sip cups of coffee while uploading our national infrastructure and data to run on all that free software all over the planet. Yeah, they got theirs --now hackers are pouring through their websites and databases, Russia has ultrasonic weapons (who needs "StarTrek transporters" to deliver surprises) and China's Navy is the largest (sorry Taiwan!)

Don't even get me started about China's Space deployments --to orbit, the dark side of the moon and beyond. Maybe they can increase their efficiency using Vint Cerf's new suite of protocols.

Re: Vint Cerf’s Plan for Building An Internet in Space

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Post by Ayesh »

somesortofsystm wrote: post #5

I've always wondered about the feasibility of using space for temporary/short-term storage needs. I remember a time when, as a junior developer, I'd log into operations, and hand the operator my tape reel with my work for the day - and she'd go off, mount the spool, and start the streaming, until my files were available in local storage for a few hours, and then .. when logging out, I'd have the operator re-stream th…

See pingfs. It stores data on ICMP packets.

https://github.com/yarrick/pingfs

Re: Vint Cerf’s Plan for Building An Internet in Space

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Post by mda »

vaxman wrote: post #13

Vint Cerf and RMS ... what a pair. Vint helped spread the Internet beyond borders and to every Windows computer on the planet via async (aka PPP aka RAS). Sounds so awesome, doesn't it? Meanwhile old RMS, an academic with tenure/nearly guaranteed income for life, finished us all off by establishing a political system that attracted all of the young minds to give away their software in such a way as to allow adversari…

I am having difficulty understanding this post.

Re: Vint Cerf’s Plan for Building An Internet in Space

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Post by paublyrne »

vaxman wrote: post #13

Vint Cerf and RMS ... what a pair. Vint helped spread the Internet beyond borders and to every Windows computer on the planet via async (aka PPP aka RAS). Sounds so awesome, doesn't it? Meanwhile old RMS, an academic with tenure/nearly guaranteed income for life, finished us all off by establishing a political system that attracted all of the young minds to give away their software in such a way as to allow adversari…

Sorry, who or what is RMS?

Re: Vint Cerf’s Plan for Building An Internet in Space

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Post by larrysalibra »

paublyrne wrote: post #17
vaxman wrote: post #13

Vint Cerf and RMS ... what a pair. Vint helped spread the Internet beyond borders and to every Windows computer on the planet via async (aka PPP aka RAS). Sounds so awesome, doesn't it? Meanwhile old RMS, an academic with tenure/nearly guaranteed income for life, finished us all off by establishing a political system that attracted all of the young minds to give away their software in such a way as to allow adversari…

Sorry, who or what is RMS?

Richard Stallman https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman

Re: Vint Cerf’s Plan for Building An Internet in Space

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Post by andrekandre »

jacobush wrote: post #4
The_rationalist wrote: post #2

What about neutrino communication? It's the biggest spectrum we haven't analyzed yet and it would perfectly make sense for an advanced civilization because it pass through matter much better than any other alternative.

Did anyone do High Frequency Trading with neutrinos yet?

no, but i heard tachyons are great for dealing in futures...

Re: Vint Cerf’s Plan for Building An Internet in Space

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Post by Chris2048 »

vaxman wrote: post #13

Vint Cerf and RMS ... what a pair. Vint helped spread the Internet beyond borders and to every Windows computer on the planet via async (aka PPP aka RAS). Sounds so awesome, doesn't it? Meanwhile old RMS, an academic with tenure/nearly guaranteed income for life, finished us all off by establishing a political system that attracted all of the young minds to give away their software in such a way as to allow adversari…

Are you saying China/Russia got their hands on Military tech by hacking?
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