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Wim Hof breathing technique can modulate immune response to pathogens (2014)

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Breathing techniques AND exposure to cold.

From the article:

ii) During the training, subjects voluntarily exposed themselves to cold in several ways: standing in the snow barefoot for up to 30 min and lying bare chested in the snow for 20 min; daily dipping/swimming in ice-cold water (0–1 °C) for up to several minutes (including complete submersions); and hiking up a snowy mountain (elevation: 1,590 m) bare chested, wearing nothing but shorts and shoes at temperatures ranging from −5 to −12 °C (wind chill: −12 to −27 °C).

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#12

Thank you for posting this! I rely on an IL-6 inhibitor currently, and used to rely on a TNF-a inhibitor which became less effective over time. Seeing these influenced through breathing, meditation, and cold exposure is really interesting. It would be nice to know if the changes primarily stemmed from one of the interventions they explored. Could I achieve the same results with one of the three methods for example?

> Could I achieve the same results with one of the three methods for example?

I don't see why the researchers would lump all three treatments together into the intervention group.

There is this, seems to suggest cold exposure: https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.14814/phy2...

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> Subjects in the intervention group were trained for 10 d in meditation (third eye meditation), breathing techniques (i.a., cyclic hyperventilation followed by breath retention), and exposure to cold (i.a., immersions in ice cold water)... Subsequently, all subjects underwent experimental endotoxemia (i.v. administration of 2 ng/kg Escherichia coli endotoxin).

> In the intervention group, practicing the learned techniques resulted in intermittent respiratory alkalosis and hypoxia resulting in profoundly increased plasma epinephrine levels. In the intervention group, plasma levels of the anti-inflammatory cytokine IL-10 increased more rapidly after endotoxin administration, correlated strongly with preceding epinephrine levels, and were higher. Levels of proinflammatory mediators TNF-α, IL-6, and IL-8 were lower in the intervention group and correlated negatively with IL-10 levels. Finally, flu-like symptoms were lower in the intervention group.

Sounds like the research is promoting third eye meditation rather than measuring the contribution of each specific technique. Hyperventilation followed by breath holding is what free divers do. Immersion in ice cold water is extremely unpleasant and non-trivial for most people to do regularly. I wonder how the degree of inflammatory response using this technique compares to typical activities like strenuous exercise.

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#17
I just finished the book "Breath" by James Nestor. The book was very interesting and talked a lot about some of this but I was wondering if anyone has done any research on the book,I walked away feeling like there was a possibility that a lot of it was bullshit

Re: Wim Hof breathing technique can modulate immune response to pathogens (2014)

#18
Isn't that the same as Prānayāma in Yoga & Ayurveda? Even today you can find many yogis in the frigid Himalayas sitting almost naked in meditation pose. These yogis have gained supreme control over their Prāna. Prāna is roughly the same as breath, but really there is no English equivalent to the word.

The tragedy is that many Hindus / Indians themselves ridicule this ancient science in Ayurveda, Yoga etc, but when the same is circulated back in English or foreign context, they accept it & in many cases without asking for any evidence whatsoever. It shows a very low esteem on the part of some Indians. Why, it is not very clear.

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post #16

n=12 lol

n=12 sounds small to me, but I don't have the statistics background to really understand its significance.

Does it basically mean that the confidence intervals are way wider than we'd expect with a larger study size? If so, by how much?

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post #15

> Subjects in the intervention group were trained for 10 d in meditation (third eye meditation), breathing techniques (i.a., cyclic hyperventilation followed by breath retention), and exposure to cold (i.a., immersions in ice cold water)... Subsequently, all subjects underwent experimental endotoxemia (i.v. administration of 2 ng/kg Escherichia coli endotoxin). > In the intervention group, practicing the learned tech…

> Hyperventilation followed by breath holding is what free divers do

Just a quick note that it is not common to hyperventilate when free diving since it is extremely dangerous.

Hyperventilating makes it difficult to feel the amount of CO2 (and consequently oxygen) remaining in your body and easily leads to black-outs.

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