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Re: Nature supports Joe Biden for US president

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Post by 082349872349872 » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 8:36 AM UTC

OneGuy123 wrote: post #6

Remember this Nature? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Most_Published_Research_Fi... So much about "truth". People don't have a problem with science. They have a problem with scientists. They also say how Trump is bad because of the Paris agreement for environment. Did you know that the Paris agreement has no legal bindings? It's just a PR move by politicians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement#Lack_of_bi…

OpEds != Articles.

(even true of news, where unlike scientific journals, the difference between editorial and article isn't as blatant. This editorial has neither Abstract up front nor References in closing.)

Re: Nature supports Joe Biden for US president

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Post by beachy » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 8:41 AM UTC

LifeIsThermal wrote: post #2

This is tragic. Science must always be free of politics.

The thinking behind their stance is well laid out in a previous editorial:

> The principle that the state will respect scholarly independence is one of the foundations underpinning modern research, and its erosion carries grave risks for standards of quality and integrity in research and policymaking. When politicians break that covenant, they endanger the health of people, the environment and societies.

This is why Nature’s news correspondents will redouble their efforts to watch and report on what is happening in politics and research worldwide. It is why authors of our expert commentaries will continue to assess and critique developments; and why the journal is looking to publish more primary research in political science.

Re: Nature supports Joe Biden for US president

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 8:41 AM UTC

evgen wrote: post #5

LifeIsThermal wrote: post #2

This is tragic. Science must always be free of politics.

If only certain (Republican) politicians would learn to keep their ignorant opinions out of science then maybe that would happen. When one party goes to war against facts and science then every scientist has a moral duty to push back.

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Re: Nature supports Joe Biden for US president

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Post by senectus1 » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 8:43 AM UTC

LifeIsThermal wrote: post #2

This is tragic. Science must always be free of politics.

I get why you think so.

but I think you're wrong.

Silence is admirable for a while, but the extremity of anti-science policy's from the Trump administration requires defense of science.

Like a theory needs to be criticized and reviewed and attempted to be proven false or incorrect, so must Policy. Who better than to argue this than the experts in the given field.

Re: Nature supports Joe Biden for US president

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Post by aokiji » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 8:43 AM UTC

The industrial academic complex is at it again. Stop generating noise and get back to doing Science, or at least pretending you do.

Why do we see no comments about China sending out videos of people falling down with simulated convulsions in January and February?

Is China's money from Thousand Talents Plan so hard to live without?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Plan

Re: Nature supports Joe Biden for US president

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Post by syspec » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 8:50 AM UTC

mantap wrote: post #10

guardian5x wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if those politics are anti-science?

Especially so. Don't drop down to their level.

Unfortunately that does not work. When one group plays by the rules, and the other doesn't - the one that doesn't will constantly win.

See current election year Supreme Court nomination.

Re: Nature supports Joe Biden for US president

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Post by templain » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 8:53 AM UTC

oy vey!

Re: Nature supports Joe Biden for US president

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Post by Flankk » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 8:54 AM UTC

082349872349872 wrote: post #9

Flankk wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is incredibly divisive and cheapens the journal. I'm not interested in what my doctor thinks of Biden, I just want to get rid of the damn foot fungus.

Nature doesn't deal with getting rid of foot fungi either. You're thinking of New England Journal of Medicine . (FWIW, I think it would be amusing if Biden reached out to https://www.heavenmagazine.nl in order to get a Confucian mandate of heaven.)

analogy: a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.

Re: Nature supports Joe Biden for US president

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Post by 082349872349872 » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 9:12 AM UTC

Flankk wrote: post #18

082349872349872 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nature doesn't deal with getting rid of foot fungi either. You're thinking of New England Journal of Medicine . (FWIW, I think it would be amusing if Biden reached out to https://www.heavenmagazine.nl in order to get a Confucian mandate of heaven.)

analogy: a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.

loose analogy: clarifies like a fish without a bicycle

I did find https://www.nature.com/articles/ja201468 but note that although it shows up on the web under nature.com, it's been published in The Journal of Antibiotics, not the flagship. Nature itself carries articles more on the lines of https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-42065-5 .

Re: Nature supports Joe Biden for US president

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Post by insickness » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 9:12 AM UTC

evgen wrote: post #5

LifeIsThermal wrote: post #2

This is tragic. Science must always be free of politics.

If only certain (Republican) politicians would learn to keep their ignorant opinions out of science then maybe that would happen. When one party goes to war against facts and science then every scientist has a moral duty to push back.

Only one party goes to war with facts? Take a look at the left's adoption critical theory, which denies that the cause of human behavior can be anything other than social construct.