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PRISM – NSA surveillance program did not prevent a single terrorist attack

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Which is unsurprising given that its goal never had anything to do with terror in the first place.

What do you base that on?

Bush and his crew had the Patriot act written before 9/11 and were simply waiting around for a circumstance to justify enacting it.

Honestly I'm surprised this is even a controversial opinion at this point. This is exactly what Snowden exposed. That these programs were as if not more focused on internal spying than anything else.

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>The NSA phone surveillance program was illegal and expensive: And it did not stop a single terrorist attack "Was" illegal?

"X was Y" doesn't necessarily imply that X is no longer Y: for that, English has "X used to be Y" construct.

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> Between 2014 and 2017, 13 Islamist terrorist attacks took place in Europe after which 24 offenders were convicted. All 24 of them - one hundred per cent - were already known to the authorities prior to the attack and had been classified as violent.

Right below:

> What we do need is better trained and better equipped police officers so that they can identify potential threats faster.

If the violent offenders are already known to police then how is training cops to identify threats going to help? The threats were already known by police to be violent.

The article doesn’t really provide any new developments. The company also claims to be the next Google with private security in mind. To me it feels like marketing blog speak.

There are not any new developments about PRISM as related to Big Tech but having it in the title will make sure it reaches #1.

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You'd think if it had stopped any attacks, the program's proponents would be shouting it from the rooftops. But no- nothing. Not even attempts to lie ("oh, we stopped several attacks, but we can't tell you anything about them...") PRISM is a phenomenal waste of trust and money.

> PRISM is a phenomenal waste of trust and money.

Only if you believe its stated purpose is its real purpose.

I suspect it's actually a huge success if you measure it against its real purpose.

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Which is unsurprising given that its goal never had anything to do with terror in the first place.

What do you base that on?

Says here it's about oil. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prism-week-in-life-straig...

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Which is unsurprising given that its goal never had anything to do with terror in the first place.

What do you base that on?

The supposed targets (terrorists) use tools and technologies that are invisible to PRISM and similar programs. No security expert with an interest in being truthful could have made a strong case that PRISM and similar programs would have a measurable effect on tracking down criminals and terrorists.

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You'd think if it had stopped any attacks, the program's proponents would be shouting it from the rooftops. But no- nothing. Not even attempts to lie ("oh, we stopped several attacks, but we can't tell you anything about them...") PRISM is a phenomenal waste of trust and money.

I have, maybe naively, always believed that the U.S. operates at a level of secrecy and complexity where dozens of terrorist attacks are thwarted every year, and that this surveillance plays a hand in it (but to admit that would hinder its effectiveness).

Is it really possible we only have Maybe it is possible, in which case the U.S. has been very successful at convincing my generation it's a larger issue than it really is (I was a toddler when 9/11 happened, so it's all I know).

Re: PRISM – NSA surveillance program did not prevent a single terrorist attack

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While I'm absolutely opposed to PRISM and similar programs, I think it's a little disingenuous to suggest that the only potential value was from stopping terrorist attacks. Look at this leaked powerpoint slide:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prism-week-in-life-straig...

If you want to argue against PRISM-like programs, it would behoove you to tackle their actual purpose. We shouldn't just argue that PRISM isn't good at catching terrorists, we should argue that the total value of intelligence gained from it is not worth sacrificing our privacy for.

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