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2020 Had the Warmest September on Record, Data Shows

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Re: 2020 Had the Warmest September on Record, Data Shows

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Post by gridlockd »

smt88 wrote: post #6
torstenvl wrote: post #4

It is distinctly unhelpful to keep trying to make people feel bad. People experiencing negative emotions are less capable of effecting positive outcomes. It is also unhelpful to keep referring to individual points like this as illustrative. It's hypocritical and provides ammunition to climate change deniers when they say things like "But this spring was really cold!" Weather is not climate and a year over year compar…

> It is also unhelpful to keep referring to individual points like this as illustrative. I don't know if you're in the US, but this is untrue here. Our most-watched media outlet spreads climate-change denial, as does the (minority) party that has controlled our federal -- and most state -- governments for the last few years. One of their tactics is literally to say that there is still snow, so global warming can't be…

Taking the dumbest argument from your political opponent and then masturbating over its stupidity is not effective in terms of provoking change.

Re: 2020 Had the Warmest September on Record, Data Shows

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Post by ben_w »

georgeplusplus wrote: post #5
forgttnpass wrote: post #2

Is this not anxiety inducing for anyone else? Is that why I see these posts fall away quickly, or is news like this just expected now, and so not that interesting?

Here’s my issue. What amount of carbon cutting would satisfy you? If we cut by 50% and the temperature is still rising year over year do we need to cut more? How far do you want to go and how much needs to be risked Before you’re satisfied that our carbon levels are acceptable. Sorry that you feel the world isn’t following your desires and expectations but they need more than a promise that things may get better to e…

I have heard it claimed that 90% would be enough. I don’t know why, as at first glance that seems like it would merely slow down the rate of increase of CO2, not prevent further increases.

Likewise, I don’t know how close the world temperature is to the equilibrium for the current level of greenhouse gasses. If levels remain constant, is the global average temperature going to go up 0.5C? 0.01C? Or is equilibrium reached faster than the seasons change?

That said, I am optimistic: given the current exponential growth of renewables, I don’t think it matters. Even without major new breakthroughs in storage, all we need is to build the factories to build the solar panels, the batteries, the hydrogen electrolysis plants and the Sabatier machines. We can be carbon neutral and save money/grow our economies at the same time.

Re: 2020 Had the Warmest September on Record, Data Shows

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Post by c06n »

anonymouswacker wrote: post #7

It’s hard to take NYT seriously. I do not understand why it is allowed on here. Their inherent bias and target audience (policy makers and influencers) runs counter to startup culture, innovation, and hacking. Mainstream News posted here should be apolitical if not providing divergent opinions... since this article is, respectfully, an opinion of a paid government research group and not demonstrated fact...

Excuse me, are you insane? What fact other than temperature do you need? What other facts are you counting on to show that 2020 did not have the warmest September?

Re: 2020 Had the Warmest September on Record, Data Shows

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Post by eznat »

forgttnpass wrote: post #2

Is this not anxiety inducing for anyone else? Is that why I see these posts fall away quickly, or is news like this just expected now, and so not that interesting?

As long as air conditioners continue to work and temperatures do not become unbearable in my lifetime, I don't see warming as a pressing problem.

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Post by adammunich »

eznat wrote: post #16
forgttnpass wrote: post #2

Is this not anxiety inducing for anyone else? Is that why I see these posts fall away quickly, or is news like this just expected now, and so not that interesting?

As long as air conditioners continue to work and temperatures do not become unbearable in my lifetime, I don't see warming as a pressing problem.

Extreme weather kills crops. We can't air condition our way out of that one.

Re: 2020 Had the Warmest September on Record, Data Shows

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

adammunich wrote: post #17
eznat wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as air conditioners continue to work and temperatures do not become unbearable in my lifetime, I don't see warming as a pressing problem.

Extreme weather kills crops. We can't air condition our way out of that one.

I have money. I can afford whatever the cost of food rises to.

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Post by kimjongtrill »

eznat wrote: post #16
forgttnpass wrote: post #2

Is this not anxiety inducing for anyone else? Is that why I see these posts fall away quickly, or is news like this just expected now, and so not that interesting?

As long as air conditioners continue to work and temperatures do not become unbearable in my lifetime, I don't see warming as a pressing problem.

This is the modern way. Someone else’s problem as long as mine are solved. SMH we are never getting better enjoy the dying planet while you can.

Re: 2020 Had the Warmest September on Record, Data Shows

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Post by CalRobert »

torstenvl wrote: post #4

It is distinctly unhelpful to keep trying to make people feel bad. People experiencing negative emotions are less capable of effecting positive outcomes. It is also unhelpful to keep referring to individual points like this as illustrative. It's hypocritical and provides ammunition to climate change deniers when they say things like "But this spring was really cold!" Weather is not climate and a year over year compar…

Your comment supposes that people are unable to make changes to their condition though.

This kind of data is helpful for people who like to make evidence-based decisions in life. If an asteroid were heading for Earth would you want the news to ignore it?

Normalcy bias is a huge problem but if you're paying attention it is prudent to use information like this to decide where to live, whether to have kids, etc. it could have a huge impact on decisions like "Should I apply for job in Los Angeles, or Toronto?" So far, I haven't regretted moving from the place the article uses to illustrate hot weather to a cooler, wetter, more stable country.

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