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New Relic employees report unrest over work culture, CEO’s donations

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Re: New Relic employees report unrest over work culture, CEO’s donations

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Post by barumi »

bmarquez wrote: post #7

> Cirne’s wife is a contributor to President Donald Trump’s reelection campaign, another sore point for many New Relic employees even though she has no role with the company...They see his wife’s donations to Trump as antithetical to the company’s stated values... What do the employees want to happen? Cirne to divorce or publicly condemn his wife over political contributions? He can't forbid someone else from making…

> What do the employees want to happen? Cirne to divorce or publicly condemn his wife over political contributions?

This wouldn't be the first case where donations were made through an illusory third-party for the sake of plausible deniability.

Re: New Relic employees report unrest over work culture, CEO’s donations

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Post by barumi »

runawaybottle wrote: post #9
freen wrote: post #4

Free speech doesn’t mean consequence free. If you were gay, would you be comfortable with an overtly homophobic boss?

You have agency to not work there.

If anyone has agency to stop earning their living, my guess is that they also have agency to express their opinion and hold someone else accountable for creating an hostile work environment.

Re: New Relic employees report unrest over work culture, CEO’s donations

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Post by seppin »

bmarquez wrote: post #7

> Cirne’s wife is a contributor to President Donald Trump’s reelection campaign, another sore point for many New Relic employees even though she has no role with the company...They see his wife’s donations to Trump as antithetical to the company’s stated values... What do the employees want to happen? Cirne to divorce or publicly condemn his wife over political contributions? He can't forbid someone else from making…

I find people using the framing of "what you can't have political beliefs" as a red herring in the age of Trump. Supporting Nixon at his most criminal and paranoid wasn't acceptable then, and it's not now.

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

Gygash wrote: post #5
gedy wrote: post #3

Seems like he is being singled out for his outside-of-work religious beliefs. This is not a good look for those employees who believe in "inclusion".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Don't forget the paradox of the paradox of intolerance (a.k.a. the meta-paradox of intolerance) which states that Popper's paradox of intolerance is often cited by those seeking to justify their own intolerance, ironically identifying themselves as also among those whom the paradox of intolerance warns against.

(I jest but, in seriousness, always remember that Popper's paradox works as a justification for any side and any viewpoint, whether good or bad. That's why it's a weak argument.)

Re: New Relic employees report unrest over work culture, CEO’s donations

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Post by seppin »

gedy wrote: post #3

Seems like he is being singled out for his outside-of-work religious beliefs. This is not a good look for those employees who believe in "inclusion".

Normalizing and accepting intolerant viewpoints is akin to a dictator winning a democratic election. It's how bad actors use the system they despise with the explicit intention of sabotage.

Re: New Relic employees report unrest over work culture, CEO’s donations

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Post by shajznnckfke »

maxharris wrote: post #2

How did Mozilla fare after these same cultural forces excised Brendan Eich? And how's the Brave browser doing in comparison? (I'm using it to type this very message.) And before downvoting me, please note that I'm Jewish (ethnically speaking - I am more of a scientific pantheist in my actual views, but I digress) and bisexual. I do not support Cirne's charities or politics. I am merely calling into question the tacti…

Anyone know what Brave’s market share is?

Re: New Relic employees report unrest over work culture, CEO’s donations

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Post by IMTDb »

Reading the article, it really looks like some New Relic employees want :

- To prevent someone from supporting the presidential candidate she believes in. It's event funnier of you consider that the person if not working at NewRelic.

- Control which charities the CEO should give money to with his private philantropy fund (which he has no obligation to setup).

> "It is clear that some of you are devoting more energy and attention inwards, than towards our customers."

Yep, sounds about right.

Re: New Relic employees report unrest over work culture, CEO’s donations

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Post by runawaybottle »

barumi wrote: post #12
runawaybottle wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have agency to not work there.

If anyone has agency to stop earning their living, my guess is that they also have agency to express their opinion and hold someone else accountable for creating an hostile work environment.

Then you don’t have agency and need to deal with the nature of the contract. You take money, you put up with the circumstances. If you don’t need to take money, then you are free.

I’m sorry for all those stuck, but you need the money. In a desperate situation like that, where your own principles are secondary to your very survivable, it’s proper to shut up and do your job.

If you are in a position where your principles are not secondary, then quit.

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