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Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#11
There is a lot of info here and much I agree with but without reading the whole thing a few things I noticed that I disagree with:

1) the fatal result of rats being tortured to deprive them of sleep seems to have been traced to oxidative stress in the gut (there was an article on this here not that long ago)

2) while I don't have an easy reference, a number of studies have found that even strenuous exercise before bed does not seem to impair sleep. As with everything sleep related there could easily be lots of individual variation but in general I don't think it usually causes trouble.

3) the author seems to consider free running sleep entirely posistive, however I think it is likely to cause circadian issues in a number of people who try it and may be quite dangerous. I think in my case going from a sleep deprived state to free running sleep (in an attempt to deal with insomnia) induced non-24 (it may be that non-24 has both a genetic susceptibility and a trigger event and that once triggered is essentially irreversible). In my case it also seems that there is an issue with internal coherence of the circadian rhythm with different parts of my body proceeding on different scheduled and rarely synchronized, leaving me disabled with memory issues and fatigue. So I encourage everyone to be careful when making changes to sleep schedules. For someone who already has a circadian issue it seems often better to sleep on the delayed or shifting schedule, but few people can do that without significant disruption caused by interacting with the rest of the world and there may still be some issues, at least for some people, due to being awake at night.

4) I think alarm clocks can in some cases keep a healthy circadian rhythm synchonized with the sun. Maybe consider them more like a prescription medication than smoking, try to avoid if possible but if using one can help you keep a healthy circadian rhythm then it seems likely to be healthier than a disrupted circadian rhythm. In my experience, when you wake up seems to be more important for setting the circadian rhythm than when you get to sleep.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#12
It's been a while since there have been posts on Supermemo here (meta: I miss the times when HN was mostly about bootstrapping software businesses, nootropics and self hacking), so I'm wondering - are there people who (still) use Supermemo or similar software for actual learning, and not memorizing for its own sake, as a party trick basically (which I feel is its main use case, at least in the way it's in the news)? Are there any advances in this field, new methods, new implementations of existing methods?

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#13
post #4

I did not read the article (what did you expect, we are on HN ;) Anyway, my experience has been a little bit different. I would summarize it as "good life, good sleep, good learning". And yes, order matters. The fact is that recently I was completely in my midlife crisis and was at probably 50% of my mental stamina (memory loss, lack of interest, poor focus, and insomnia ). I was ok with the fact that I was getting o…

That resonates with my own experience. I walked away from a bad relationship and my mental stamina, as you call it, improved dramatically. Memory is better, I am much more active and confident. I still have a very demanding job, so maybe I should change that as well.

So much yes! One should feel happy coming home, not dreading the moment. Fortunately, my lovely wife is such a person.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#14

Piotr Wozniak is a fascinating guy, if you want to read more about him: https://web.archive.org/web/20150613033756/http://archive.wi... Is someone using his software here?

When you get hooked on SuperMemo and embrace the idea of incremental reading, it becomes the primary software on your computer. You end up spending more time in SM than you do in the browser. People use it not just to memorize flashcards, but to read articles and books... even to write and edit their own articles and books... track their sleep... plan and execute their daily schedule... keep track of tasks and priorities. It's a quirky piece of software but quite a mature one. After all, it has been in continuous development since the late eighties!

Oh there's a small but thriving community of SuperMemo users that sprang up recently. Here's a Youtube channel created by members of this community to help new users: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMdkN_8gHPn5vlYDe2ScrxQ

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#15
Sleep is incredibly important for forming new connections in the brain. I just want to add another aspect of learning; The importance of focus.

I will start by saying: "Do not engage the mind in the intense pursuit of too many things at once; especially things that have no relation to one another"

A couple of questions that can help for solve the above issue are:

1.How many subjects am I currently learning intensely?

2.Do these subjects have any relation to each other?

3.Why am I currently learning the subjects?

4.Have I truly made progress in any of the subjects?

By following the four questions above, you get a sense of what you really need to learn at a particular time.

This article https://leveragethoughts.substack.com/p/do-not-engage-the-mi... goes in-depth into the why and how of learning.

There are other tools that can contribute to a good life. Some of these tools are 1. Journalling. 2. Daily self reflection. 3. Some form of physical activity.

You can find out more on how to improve the mind in https://leveragethoughts.substack.com/p/three-actionable-ins...

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#16
post #7

> You can compare the use of alarm clocks to smoking or eating hot dogs. Wow. That’s a big statement, surely comparing alarms to smoking is a bit much?

It is a big statement. I've personally not used an alarm clock in about 10 years, I wake up naturally. The times I do use an alarm clock I can genuinely say often make be feel ill for the rest of the day.

Still, not sure it's as bad as smoking.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#17
TL;DR: No alarm clock. Follow needs of your body, sleep as much as you need. Free running sleep has no alternative.

It's been a while when I first read this excellent article, I always try to follow the advice about free running sleep since then.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#18
post #17

TL;DR: No alarm clock. Follow needs of your body, sleep as much as you need. Free running sleep has no alternative. It's been a while when I first read this excellent article, I always try to follow the advice about free running sleep since then.

Lol. Transporting back to reality in 1.. 2..

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#19
post #11

There is a lot of info here and much I agree with but without reading the whole thing a few things I noticed that I disagree with: 1) the fatal result of rats being tortured to deprive them of sleep seems to have been traced to oxidative stress in the gut (there was an article on this here not that long ago) 2) while I don't have an easy reference, a number of studies have found that even strenuous exercise before be…

I don't think there is anything natural about such a rigid "circadian rhythm".

Its a leftover from feudal / agricultural society where you had to get up to do different things on the farm _all day_ until you where so tired you crashed and slept for 8 hours. Nothing natural in that.

I totally agree that "getting up early" can have its benefits, and so can an uninterrupted 7 hours - but the body is built to get up in the middle of the night, do stuff, then go back to bed, get up again, scavenge, build, talk to someone, then take a nap with your family/tribe etc.

As long as you follow the inner rhythm, and can zone-out and relax, you are probably most healthy going through various states multiple times a day, from intense focus, to alert, to way more relaxed than anyone are today.

This is in stark contrast to the toxically over-caffeinated over exerted extremely long days where you never really go through any different "mindstates" but just "plough through" until you crash - and then think that you need 8 hours and to get up early - no you only need that because you are abusing your body. Also you are missing out on so many states that make life worth living, ie the liminal hypnagogic state, the absolutely magical hypnopompic state, wonderful actual alpha-brain relaxation etc.

This is also why people become sad, superficial, loose connection to the magic of existence and ultimately become sociopaths constantly seeking superficial hits because they have no space or time for the liminal states.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#20
This is a 2018 eBook on sleep by Piotr Woźniak [1], a researcher involved in the Spaced Repetition [2] learning system SuperMemo [3].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piotr_Woźniak_(researcher)

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaced_repetition

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperMemo

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