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Awful-AI: A curated list to track current scary usages of AI

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Ehh.. the discrimination part sounds a lot like: "we had an AI look at statistics and it reported the patterns we choose to ignore".

AIs produce correlation which gets sold as causation.

Which is then justified as causation we chose to ignore for political correctness.

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Doesn't seem like a well-curated list. Some of these, e.g. Uber's God Mode, don't even fall under the normal usage of the term "AI". Others, like Palantir or WeChat, seem to denigrate an entire company (rather than specific practices). And the racist chatbot thing isn't even an actual product, nor was it intentionally designed to be racist.

> Nor was it intentionally designed to be racist

Can't think of a racist AI scandal where is was intentional. The point of those stories is that it's easy to do accidentally.

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Ehh.. the discrimination part sounds a lot like: "we had an AI look at statistics and it reported the patterns we choose to ignore".

AIs produce correlation which gets sold as causation.

A lot of the patterns these things pick up on are causal and we just don't like the fact that there are real causal networks that conflict with our religious/idealogical beliefs.

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A lot of these are less "woah, AI is real bad and we need to be better about using it appropriately" and more "people need to stop being fooled by snake oil products that promise impossible things."

You can blame users for expecting AI to solve everything, but that doesn't mean we give Engineers and Researchers free reign to package, publish, and distribute AI software that falls short of its promise ( and introduces dangerous patterns along the way).

Certainly, but it's important to acknowledge the distinction. If people think that Tay turned racist because Microsoft engineers encoded their racial bias, or even just programmed it poorly, they're going to be tricked by a succession of new projects claiming they fixed the biases from the last one.

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Ehh.. the discrimination part sounds a lot like: "we had an AI look at statistics and it reported the patterns we choose to ignore".

Ah, yes, but that's not really the point, is it?

COMPAS points out an uncomfortable trend ("violent crime is more prevalent in black communities...") but applies it in a way that is bad ("...and therefore black people should get longer criminal sentences for the same crime").

We both agree, I'm sure, that socioeconomics and race shouldn't meaningfully impact sentence length. We may also agree that it often does. What a lot of these models do is encode that outcome (that bias, some might say) in seemingly 'objective' systems. That reproduction of bias is why they're discriminatory - not because they look at crime stats, but because they apply them in a way that most people wouldn't.

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A lot of these are less "woah, AI is real bad and we need to be better about using it appropriately" and more "people need to stop being fooled by snake oil products that promise impossible things."

You can blame users for expecting AI to solve everything, but that doesn't mean we give Engineers and Researchers free reign to package, publish, and distribute AI software that falls short of its promise ( and introduces dangerous patterns along the way).

>that doesn't mean we give Engineers and Researchers free reign to package, publish, and distribute AI software that falls short of its promise

And who is going to monitor and enforce this? You?

Re: Awful-AI: A curated list to track current scary usages of AI

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I think there's 4 categories of issues:

- 1. AI that's just not good enough, e.g. it requires 100% confidence not to be problematic (Detecting whether it's a person or a gorilla. Autonomous driving)

- 2. AI that's correctly trained but discovers problematic trends and attempts to do prediction based on these trends (Train on poverty + race correlations)

- 3. AI that's incorrectly trained on inherently biased data and just reaffirms the problematic trend (Train only on male CVs for hiring prediction.)

- 4. Buggy code that spits out bad data.

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