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US government accuses TikTok of being a mouthpiece for the Communist Party

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"The Trump administration, however, did not offer any direct evidence that TikTok's U.S. data has ever been assessed by Beijing officials."

Why should they reveal confidential intelligence? Does any government ever really do? Its stupid to do so. Its tiktok job to show and prove that the suspicion is not the case.

> Why should they reveal confidential intelligence?

Because it is in their economic interest for people to believe that and they are in a large trade dispute with the origin country.

So without any proof this is essentially trade war propaganda.

Re: US government accuses TikTok of being a mouthpiece for the Communist Party

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The whole ban is so gross. It's clearly politically targeted to deplatform Trump critics all while firing people up about China.

For those that aren't familiar. TikTok is pretty ubiquitous in the under 21 crowd while being practically unused by older people. It's sort of like when young people fled to Twitter and Instagram to get away from their parents on Facebook. It's basically the next Twitter for that age group.

TikTok (the community, not the company) is also quite critical of Trump. For instance, the buying up of rally tickets a few months ago so he would show up to an empty political event was organized on TikTok and we know that it pissed Trump off [1].

That level of age and political specificity in their audience makes it easy to target them for their ideas.

This type of laser focused ban on specific conpanies (rather than, say, disallowing data to be stored in China or banning Chinese owned companies from operating) reveals the nakedly political motivation behind this action. "China is bad" is just the excuse here. It's really about banning a popular meetingplace for a political demographic opposed to Trump.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/style/tiktok-trump-rally-...

Re: US government accuses TikTok of being a mouthpiece for the Communist Party

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The evidence that TikTok is a mouthpiece for China, according to NPR's account of the Commerce Department memo (I still need to read it myself):

1. Bytedance employs 130 Party members.

2. The party members had a rally with Communist salutes and pledges and such.

3. Bytedance's CEO once apologized over an app that the authorities shut down because, as far as I can tell, the memes were too dank.

The first two are normal for big Chinese companies, though I suppose one could say that just means all Chinese companies are propaganda outlets. The third one...yes, if authorities go after a company in any country you will generally see leadership either challenge the decision or apologize, this isn't even unique to authoritarian countries. In other words this sounds like generic natsec scare tactics where you could insert the name of any Chinese corporation rather than anything interesting.

Re: US government accuses TikTok of being a mouthpiece for the Communist Party

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The evidence that TikTok is a mouthpiece for China, according to NPR's account of the Commerce Department memo (I still need to read it myself): 1. Bytedance employs 130 Party members. 2. The party members had a rally with Communist salutes and pledges and such. 3. Bytedance's CEO once apologized over an app that the authorities shut down because, as far as I can tell, the memes were too dank. The first two are norma…

Let's assume TikTok is the mouth piece of Chinese propaganda. Why aren't we doing anything about another mouthpiece that we already got confirmation that it is being used by both our and foreign intelligence.

Is that one accepted because it benefits the president? What kind of leader of free nation would accept something like that?

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The whole ban is so gross. It's clearly politically targeted to deplatform Trump critics all while firing people up about China. For those that aren't familiar. TikTok is pretty ubiquitous in the under 21 crowd while being practically unused by older people. It's sort of like when young people fled to Twitter and Instagram to get away from their parents on Facebook. It's basically the next Twitter for that age group.…

Also a possible trigger: Sarah Cooper lip syncing him on TikTok and getting possibly "higher ratings" than he.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Cooper

See: "Satirical videos"

The major impact exactly as he promoted light in the lungs and disinfectants in the body as the treatment:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/14/trump-lip-sy...

For him it's all about his ratings. The reality show continues.

Re: US government accuses TikTok of being a mouthpiece for the Communist Party

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My understanding is that all Chinese companies, especially very successful ones, absolutely are beholden to the desires or supposed needs of the Party. Especially when it comes to anything they consider to be relevant to national security or military interests. Which is pretty much everything unfortunately.

This is not a special case. It's the core structure of their system.

Personally I think it's very obvious that this is a national security issue for the United States. And I think if the political climate were different, it would not be disputed in any way.

I think the underlying issue is not ByteDance or Trump. The core issue is the extreme cultural/idealogical and political divergence between the two large countries.

Until there is a serious plan for resolving that, I don't think we can just pretend those problems don't exist.

Young people really have no idea that the paradigm the world operates on is actually quite brutal. We definitely should change that. But until we do.. well honestly the way kids seem to be begging for censorship, and love garbage like TikTok, and are insisting on entitlements that will bankrupt the country with no serious plan for increasing revenue.. I feel like it's almost over already. So it doesn't matter what I say.

I should just start studying Mandarin already.

Re: US government accuses TikTok of being a mouthpiece for the Communist Party

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It's not a particularly big secret that big companies in China need party-support to remain in the original owners' hands.

What I find interesting is that China has extorted US tech companies for almost a decade now and they are finally at a point where their own tech companies are served the same treatment.

It's this type of tit-for-tat that creates a forcing function for both parties to enter into fair trade agreements as it becomes mutually beneficial for both.

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