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AppStore Reviews Should Be Stricter

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Re: AppStore Reviews Should Be Stricter

#11
Let me preface saying I have the perception Apple is already doing better than Google in this regard (which contains flat out malware in Play Store). I don't use Play Store to find anything via the Play Store; I get linked to the Play Store by a third party.

The way I see it, it is the way it is due to the inequality in the world, and because we dislike paying directly for something. It doesn't make sense for a developer in India to ask 10 USD for an application when only middle and upper class people in USA can afford it. Hence, you get alternative methods of earning money such as IAP (which makes it less clear you spend money), currency tokens (idem), advertisement (stealing the user's time; imagine you'd be forced to solve captcha's for other people during this time? Having your CPU time used for mining?), tracking ("if they don't wanna pay, I'll just use their PII. Cheapskates!"), malware (idem), ...

Sure, something like GDPR might protect EU people from some of the above. What are they going to do in above example, going after developer from India? Of course not. Those who lay low are getting away with it, and the wheels of justice grind slowly.

Perhaps the parent should screen the application or game before allowing the kid to use it. Read a review site for games for children. Check out the age requirement. Learn what your kids likes and dislikes. And then, buy the (virtual) present for them.

I'll be using my Pocketsprite (portable game emulator) to install games appropriate for the age of my kid. Plus, its locked down as well, without some kind of store on it because it has no direct Internet connection. Its actually why I bought it specifically. Graphically these games might be less good, but Tetris is at its core still Tetris, looks be damned. The time before the Internet was the status quo has its charms. I've also selected a bunch of games on Steam which I regard as appropriate. Of course, she's free to dislike any of these, including Tetris (she already loves Duplo though).

We have so much choice though. Just open Netflix right now. There's no way you can watch all that. Same with Steam, no way you can play all that. Same with screening that content. Back in the days, on my Gameboy I only had a couple of games. Less choice made the things I did own more precious. Anyway, hence I'd say curate a couple of good choices (games, movies, series, toys, ...). There's no way you'll find the best of the best; they just gotta be good enough for develop and/or enjoy themselves.

Re: AppStore Reviews Should Be Stricter

#12
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This post should be evangelized like gospel! We MUST make App Store rules _even_ stricter. I hadn't thought about the nefarious patterns particularly targeted towards kids apps until I read this. Heck, after hearing about Zoom's debacle with the Facebook SDK, I feel like Apple should make it impossible for 3rd party devs to use non-Apple approved SDKs. but sigh, I know I'm afraid this viewpoint is not shared by many…

Or, you can have multiple app stores and kid-friendly app stores will specially curate apps to make sure there is no adult content, or other unwanted features. We already do this with a wide variety of physical goods.

Apple doesn't get the source code for the App anyway, so a third party can perform the same type of automated + manual review that Apple does. Its time to open up the app store to competition. As a consumer, if you don't trust a particular app store, great, don't use it.

Re: AppStore Reviews Should Be Stricter

#13

Solution: don't let your kids use internet-connected devices until they are of the age where they are capable of independent thought. Making App Store stricter won't fix anything.

Are adults truly capable of independent thought either? For a lot of people, Facebook is extremely difficult to avoid, even if they disagree with its privacy practices. Apple is in a unique position to use its regulatory power to force companies like Facebook and mobile game developers to follow reasonable privacy and advertising practices. Maybe this is the job of the government, but it seems like an acceptable practice from Apple so long as it's not used in an anticompetitive manner (which the 30% cut arguably is).

Re: AppStore Reviews Should Be Stricter

#14
Yes!

I just got charged 0.30£ by Niantic, the publisher of Pokemon Go, to verify my age during the user registration process. The payment was initiated from the iOS app and done through a web form. No IAP.

Now I can only hope Niantic doesn't charge me for something my kids do in the game.

This is exactly the kind of thing I fully expect Apple to protect me from.

Re: AppStore Reviews Should Be Stricter

#15
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post #2

This post should be evangelized like gospel! We MUST make App Store rules _even_ stricter. I hadn't thought about the nefarious patterns particularly targeted towards kids apps until I read this. Heck, after hearing about Zoom's debacle with the Facebook SDK, I feel like Apple should make it impossible for 3rd party devs to use non-Apple approved SDKs. but sigh, I know I'm afraid this viewpoint is not shared by many…

Why won't anyone think of the children and just ban every single thing that might make their parents work!

That’s not really a fair argument. Parents have been over worked for decades. But 30, 20, even 10 years ago (first iPad was released 10 years ago!) you couldn’t accidentally buy digital rubbish.

The kids sat in front of a TV and you had to beg your parents for toys.

Now toddlers can discover things for themselves and frankly a lot of content for kids is trash. We haven’t caught up with how to deal with this.

Re: AppStore Reviews Should Be Stricter

#16

Solution: don't let your kids use internet-connected devices until they are of the age where they are capable of independent thought. Making App Store stricter won't fix anything.

Legit. Buy these kids a nintendo console and let them play with something designed for kids. You get what you pay for. I guess I do get where they are coming from where the kids want to play multi player games their friends are playing.

Re: AppStore Reviews Should Be Stricter

#19
post #12
post #2

This post should be evangelized like gospel! We MUST make App Store rules _even_ stricter. I hadn't thought about the nefarious patterns particularly targeted towards kids apps until I read this. Heck, after hearing about Zoom's debacle with the Facebook SDK, I feel like Apple should make it impossible for 3rd party devs to use non-Apple approved SDKs. but sigh, I know I'm afraid this viewpoint is not shared by many…

Or, you can have multiple app stores and kid-friendly app stores will specially curate apps to make sure there is no adult content, or other unwanted features. We already do this with a wide variety of physical goods. Apple doesn't get the source code for the App anyway, so a third party can perform the same type of automated + manual review that Apple does. Its time to open up the app store to competition. As a cons…

Epic for example is only going to allow Fortnite to be on their store. So how you are going to convince kids to use only specific app stores?

And then if Apple is forced to regulate what is and isn't "kid-friendly" then isn't that just opening them up to the same criticism they have right now.

Re: AppStore Reviews Should Be Stricter

#20
Wow, I am honestly amazed at the limitless range of human ignorance.

Congrats to the author for being a successful person, a good devoper and being the founder of Xamarin, but that doesn't mean you know everything, and according to text I read in the article being a good parent..

"I have kids aged 10, 7 and 4, and my eldest had access to an iPad since she was a year old,"

I have read this several times now and I cannot believe what I am reading. Giving a child, ONE year old to use an iPad? What in the world is happening? And then the author says he has trouble explaining to his kids why they have to watch an ad before continuing mindlessly playing games. And even better, he wants the rest of the world to adapt because of the children, who should not even be using it, especially not having access to Internet without parent control.

I feel like I am taking crazy pills. Someone please explain to the author that it is not GOOD PARENTING to give a 1-year-old access to an addictive device. Don't listen to me if you want, just ask Steve Jobs.. The guy made the iPad yet wouldn't let his own kids use it.. Says enough about it..

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