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It was a matter of time before Bob Martin was targeted by the purity mob. What a sad, fascist and cowardly society we have become.
Uhh... have you read his sexist and racist remarks online? ETA: ignoring racial bias in policing @ https://dev-to-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/i/aaoswq5bzdpptrtd7s... Plus a good take on his "Thought Police" post https://medium.com/@BradleyHolt/what-uncle-bob-gets-wrong-c0...
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Uhh... have you read his sexist and racist remarks online? ETA: ignoring racial bias in policing @ https://dev-to-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/i/aaoswq5bzdpptrtd7s... Plus a good take on his "Thought Police" post https://medium.com/@BradleyHolt/what-uncle-bob-gets-wrong-c0...
Some of us do not accept "this person has said [thing considered objectionable] and therefore should not be allowed to talk about [unrelated topic] even if they perfectly follow the guidelines of the relevant event."
It was a matter of time before Bob Martin was targeted by the purity mob. What a sad, fascist and cowardly society we have become.
Just a reminder that the he wrote texts like the following: “Remember when the software SJWs told us that “Software Craftsmanship” was exclusionary to women because it was clearly male?” Good that the CoC was enforced. People like him who are still stuck in the 2016 election cycle are actively hurting the software community and hold us back.
It was a matter of time before Bob Martin was targeted by the purity mob. What a sad, fascist and cowardly society we have become.
Uhh... have you read his sexist and racist remarks online? ETA: ignoring racial bias in policing @ https://dev-to-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/i/aaoswq5bzdpptrtd7s... Plus a good take on his "Thought Police" post https://medium.com/@BradleyHolt/what-uncle-bob-gets-wrong-c0...
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just a reminder that the he wrote texts like the following: “Remember when the software SJWs told us that “Software Craftsmanship” was exclusionary to women because it was clearly male?” Good that the CoC was enforced. People like him who are still stuck in the 2016 election cycle are actively hurting the software community and hold us back.
What? What is wrong with that? And what does the election cycle have to do with building software?
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Some of us do not accept "this person has said [thing considered objectionable] and therefore should not be allowed to talk about [unrelated topic] even if they perfectly follow the guidelines of the relevant event."
The question is what kind of effect they have on the audience. If someone uses exclusionary language in front of a diverse community that can be really destructive.
It was a matter of time before Bob Martin was targeted by the purity mob. What a sad, fascist and cowardly society we have become.
Just a reminder that the he wrote texts like the following: “Remember when the software SJWs told us that “Software Craftsmanship” was exclusionary to women because it was clearly male?” Good that the CoC was enforced. People like him who are still stuck in the 2016 election cycle are actively hurting the software community and hold us back.
It seems what he wrote was accurate. What problem do you have with it, specifically?
It was a matter of time before Bob Martin was targeted by the purity mob. What a sad, fascist and cowardly society we have become.
Uhh... have you read his sexist and racist remarks online? ETA: ignoring racial bias in policing @ https://dev-to-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/i/aaoswq5bzdpptrtd7s... Plus a good take on his "Thought Police" post https://medium.com/@BradleyHolt/what-uncle-bob-gets-wrong-c0...
On the race situation, I disagree with Uncle Bob (link: https://dev-to-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/i/aaoswq5bzdpptrtd7s...), and I think what he's written is ill-advised and ill-thought through. At the same time I don't see disinviting him or deplatforming him to be a worthwhile approach. Dialogue would be a better option.
On the sexism situation (link: https://medium.com/@BradleyHolt/what-uncle-bob-gets-wrong-c0...), maybe I'm tired, but I couldn't quite get my head around what the piece was saying. There seems to be a paragraph quoted from Uncle Bob in there that suggests he's not being sexist. Frankly neither Uncle Bob nor the author rebutting him seem like the clearest communicators in this situation. I find the whole thing a bit unseemly but it also seems like it's not strong enough evidence to say Uncle Bob is definitively sexist.
It's also worth pointing out that prejudice is not binary. People who are sexist or racist in some aspect of their psyche or attitudes don't always manifest that in the same way, to the same degree, and to the same "out groups".
At the moment our response seems to be that anyone who's even a little bit prejudiced, or even appears like they might be prejudiced, about any "out-group" should be absolutely crucified without mercy. That's ridiculous and is a product of corrupted thinking.
There is a clear and significant difference between the murder of George Floyd, for which the perpetrator will rightly be tried according to due process, and somebody saying something online that's naive, somewhat ignorant, and hasn't been thought through properly (and is therefore tone-deaf).
At the moment our tendency seems to be to want to treat both of these extremes as the same. All that's doing is deepening the divisions, mistrust, and alienation within our societies. This is not a good outcome for any of us.
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MY ORIGINAL COMMENT:
Well this, right here, is the problem.
Some weeks back I became tangentially aware that Uncle Bob had become persona non grata and I tried to find out what he'd actually said[0]. I'll grant you I didn't spend that long on it, but I did spend a good 5 minutes Googling when I arguably had better things to do, and didn't find anything.
However, if you're going to make vague allegations somebody's behaviour the ABSOLUTE LEAST YOU CAN DO is cite some examples (with links) of where this person has behaved as alleged. Not second-hand accounts: what they've actually said on their blog or social media or wherever.
If the content has been deleted then a credible news source that includes screenshots of the original content is fine. But what you shouldn't be doing is posting nothing to back up your allegations.
[0] I've never been a close follower of Uncle Bob's because he's mostly known (as far as I'm aware) for being a huge proponent of agile and I'm... well, let's just say that like a lot of people I'm somewhat over it and have been for many years.
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What? What is wrong with that? And what does the election cycle have to do with building software?
When someone like him still fills his blog with GamerGate-like Anti-SJW rhetoric in 2020, they are either stuck in the past or are actively still holding these beliefs, which are once expressed incompatible with the CoC.
