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Re: Found this little gem on my $55K Model Y

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Post by Meph504 » Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 11:46 PM UTC

teruakohatu wrote: post #7

ThisIsTheWay wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a lame excuse. No vehicle should ship with laminate edge detailing from a DIY store to be used as a brace to hold a component in place. That's just poor design and a lazy fix to hit your numbers, plain and simple.

Probably poor supply chain rather than poor design. I doubt the designer mandated Home Depot™ #xxxxxxx detailing.

The idea that they made a home depot run seems silly, if I had to guess, if you look at the breakroom in the telsa factor, you'll probably find some missing molding.

Re: Found this little gem on my $55K Model Y

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Post by abawany » Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 11:47 PM UTC

teruakohatu wrote: post #8

Can someone explain the panel gap issue mentioned in the linked article, and often referred to somewhere. Are the panel gaps defective (noisy, leaky or unsafe etc.) or just don't look very nice?

Here is an example: https://teslaownersonline.com/threads/panel-gaps.8168/#lg=at... - notice the unevenness? I would guess that not only does it look bad, it will eventually start to rub out paint or cause wear on the panel due to the unevenness.

Re: Found this little gem on my $55K Model Y

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Post by abawany » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 12:08 AM UTC

This article was amusing while also providing more context as to why this may have happened, quoting Munro Associates: https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-y-owners-have-found-home-de... .

Re: Found this little gem on my $55K Model Y

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Post by bri3d » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 12:38 AM UTC

teruakohatu wrote: post #7

ThisIsTheWay wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a lame excuse. No vehicle should ship with laminate edge detailing from a DIY store to be used as a brace to hold a component in place. That's just poor design and a lazy fix to hit your numbers, plain and simple.

Probably poor supply chain rather than poor design. I doubt the designer mandated Home Depot™ #xxxxxxx detailing.

That strap overall is a really manual labor intensive installation step, fairly risky in terms of failure, and mandates several additional (read: $$$) edge protection parts even without the bodged ones. I don't think it was intentional. I feel that while the wooden edging is a sign that production technicians were rushed and couldn't wait for a new batch of the specified part, the overall strap-supported condenser design is a sign that the engineering organization overall was also time crunched and couldn't respin the assembly.

Re: Found this little gem on my $55K Model Y

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Post by canada_dry » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 1:12 AM UTC

Were this found on a production model from one of the big 3 I'm guessing there would be calls for a massive recall, but because it's just part of the fluid/continuous-updates manufacturing process that Tesla has maintained, it certainly won't.

Personally, I am amazed that their factory process is this innovative/flexible - though I'd be pissed to find Home Depot material holding the insides of my car together like some last-minute-quick-fix!

Re: Found this little gem on my $55K Model Y

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 1:55 AM UTC

appleiigs wrote: post #6

bri3d wrote: post #3

The _way_ this was discovered is more interesting than the bodge itself, really. This was discovered due to the owner feeling that they needed to personally disassemble and reassemble their entire car to fix other, obvious manufacturing defects, _after_ the dealer damaged the vehicle while trying to fix them! I think I'm also quite surprised that the strap holding the condenser has persisted in spite of its obvious m…

The whole thread is interesting... As you said the mis-aligned panels, but also the variety of different materials used in the production patch job (faux wood, white plastic, clear plastic), like Tesla grabbed whatever they could find. Then some customers unwavering faith that Tesla can do no wrong despite evidence staring them in face.

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Re: Found this little gem on my $55K Model Y

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Post by brianwawok » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 2:18 AM UTC

bri3d wrote: post #3

The _way_ this was discovered is more interesting than the bodge itself, really. This was discovered due to the owner feeling that they needed to personally disassemble and reassemble their entire car to fix other, obvious manufacturing defects, _after_ the dealer damaged the vehicle while trying to fix them! I think I'm also quite surprised that the strap holding the condenser has persisted in spite of its obvious m…

In a build next month I suspect it won’t be like this. It does not smell like a long term plan.

Re: Found this little gem on my $55K Model Y

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Post by brianwawok » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 2:20 AM UTC

teruakohatu wrote: post #8

Can someone explain the panel gap issue mentioned in the linked article, and often referred to somewhere. Are the panel gaps defective (noisy, leaky or unsafe etc.) or just don't look very nice?

Mostly looks unless extreme or in certain spots.

All cars have them. If you want to stare, you can find them in a brand new BMW or other well regarded brand. Just a little more common in Tesla I guess. (I have one that bothers me. I got Tesla to 75% fix it. Doesn’t really bother me now)

Re: Found this little gem on my $55K Model Y

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Post by brianwawok » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 2:21 AM UTC

Cerium wrote: post #10

teruakohatu wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably poor supply chain rather than poor design. I doubt the designer mandated Home Depot™ #xxxxxxx detailing.

Yeah, but why molding? They are using steel strapping, why not standard strap corners? Eg: https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-3474/Strapping-Protec...

Bet they were out and sent someone with a truck to Home Depot.

Re: Found this little gem on my $55K Model Y

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Post by fred_is_fred » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 3:48 AM UTC

appleiigs wrote: post #6

bri3d wrote: post #3

The _way_ this was discovered is more interesting than the bodge itself, really. This was discovered due to the owner feeling that they needed to personally disassemble and reassemble their entire car to fix other, obvious manufacturing defects, _after_ the dealer damaged the vehicle while trying to fix them! I think I'm also quite surprised that the strap holding the condenser has persisted in spite of its obvious m…

The whole thread is interesting... As you said the mis-aligned panels, but also the variety of different materials used in the production patch job (faux wood, white plastic, clear plastic), like Tesla grabbed whatever they could find. Then some customers unwavering faith that Tesla can do no wrong despite evidence staring them in face.

> unwavering faith that Tesla can do no wrong despite evidence staring them in face.

This has disturbing analogs to all aspects of life in the last few years - what you believe has become more important than whether what you believe is right - even with evidence.