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Vitamin D, part 3 – The Evidence

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Re: Vitamin D, part 3 – The Evidence

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So Vitamin D deficiency is linked to cancer, heart disease, respiratory infection, stroke, diabetes, and death. But taking it as a supplement helps with none of the above. What is a reasonable hypothesis then? That having an active lifestyle that brings you outside in the sun both causes your Vitamin D to go up, and is correlated with better physical health in general?

There are thousands of reasonable hypothesis, and it is extremely costly (and in some cases, nearly impossible) to test.

e.g. our bodies need sunlight and cholesterol in order to synthesize vitamin D; This process also apparently has some other outputs like NO which are much harder to measure since they get used quickly. It is possible that vitamin D is merely (mostly) a measure of the prevalence of this process, and it is the other (harder to measure) outputs are much more important; Or that it's the consumption of cholesterol that's more important than the production of vitamin D; Or that sunlight has other functions we don't measure that are the important ones. Or that it's all just a correlation to some other process we're not even aware of.

That said, my own experience and anecdotally other people I know (and gwern has some blind n=1 experiments on his site to back this up) is that taking vitamin D early in the morning improves sleep at night, and taking vitamin D in the afternoon/evening reduces sleep quality. For that reason alone, I take vitamin D in the morning, and anecdotally, I burn less when I'm in the sun without sunscreen as well.

Re: Vitamin D, part 3 – The Evidence

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I'm still on the fence about this. Until someone from my health care system comes out and states that the research looks good I am not going to eulogise it. Do I take vitamin supplements yes, would I say it produces the affect on covid patents to other people, no.

Re: Vitamin D, part 3 – The Evidence

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For other reasons I get tested for vitamin D every few months and managed to get my levels just above the normally recommended amount as per doctors advice. When people are saying they’re taking 25-100k UI a day I’m just stumped why they’d be doing that without medical advice, the amount to change my levels was nothing in comparison.

Re: Vitamin D, part 3 – The Evidence

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So Vitamin D deficiency is linked to cancer, heart disease, respiratory infection, stroke, diabetes, and death. But taking it as a supplement helps with none of the above. What is a reasonable hypothesis then? That having an active lifestyle that brings you outside in the sun both causes your Vitamin D to go up, and is correlated with better physical health in general?

I would frame it in the opposite direction: having a serious illness is correlated with low levels of Vitamin D. People with a serious illness may stay inside more, and go outside less. It's possible that "low levels" of Vitamin D are still within the healthy range, and they merely are an indication of how much time the person has spent outside during the day.

In other words, it's possible that Vitamin D is pure symptom. It's not even necessarily the case that going outside is healthy, but that healthy people tend to go outside more.

Re: Vitamin D, part 3 – The Evidence

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So Vitamin D deficiency is linked to cancer, heart disease, respiratory infection, stroke, diabetes, and death. But taking it as a supplement helps with none of the above. What is a reasonable hypothesis then? That having an active lifestyle that brings you outside in the sun both causes your Vitamin D to go up, and is correlated with better physical health in general?

There is a fundamental difference between vitamin D generated in your skin versus vitamin D placed in your gut. The mechanisms by which it acts and the effects it has on you are probably radically different.

We are more than just a pile of various materials.

Re: Vitamin D, part 3 – The Evidence

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TL;DR: skip to the part "The areas in which meta-analyses have identified benefits from Vitamin D"

Also "Vitamin D failed to prevent cancer, stroke, heart attack, or cardiovascular death. "

Which is fair enough. But at least for the cardiovascular diseases mentioned, I don't think it was expected.

And of course, this does not mean anything against the role of Vitamin D in Covid prevention

Basically: don't dismiss X for disease D1 if you tested it with disease D2

Re: Vitamin D, part 3 – The Evidence

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So Vitamin D deficiency is linked to cancer, heart disease, respiratory infection, stroke, diabetes, and death. But taking it as a supplement helps with none of the above. What is a reasonable hypothesis then? That having an active lifestyle that brings you outside in the sun both causes your Vitamin D to go up, and is correlated with better physical health in general?

That's a reasonable hypothesis. Another one is that it's a reverse causality: Several diseases may inhibit Vitamin D uptake.

And don't forget: It can be multiple causes combined. (I.e. it may be a mix of a confounder like being outside and reverse causality.)

Re: Vitamin D, part 3 – The Evidence

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So Vitamin D deficiency is linked to cancer, heart disease, respiratory infection, stroke, diabetes, and death. But taking it as a supplement helps with none of the above. What is a reasonable hypothesis then? That having an active lifestyle that brings you outside in the sun both causes your Vitamin D to go up, and is correlated with better physical health in general?

That is a reasonable hypothesis. Also, people who are very ill are less likely to get outside and get enough sun, so they will develop low Vitamin D. Vitamin D is likely a marker of poor health. (Once the Vitamin D gets low enough, we do see direct harmful effects from it (think rickets in children), and this may contribute to poor health at that point.)
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