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Why I link to Wayback Machine instead of original web content

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Re: Why I link to Wayback Machine instead of original web content

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But how certain is the future of WayBackMachine, when disaster strikes, all your links are dead. On the other hand, the original links can still be read from the url, so the original reference is not completely gone.

Yeah, my thoughts were more of the way Waybackmachine is funded.

I don't feel comfortable sending a bunch of web traffic to them for no reason other than it being convenient. The wayback machine is a web archival project, not your personal content proxy to make sure your links don't go stale.

They need our help both in funding and in action, one simple action is not to abuse their service.

Re: Why I link to Wayback Machine instead of original web content

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Is there any WordPress plugin that adds a link to the WayBack Machine next to the original link? I would use something like that.

Look at the format of the wayback machine URL. It's trivial to generate.

Where a WP plugin would add value is by saving to the archive whenever WP publishes a new or edited article.

Re: Why I link to Wayback Machine instead of original web content

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post #4

But how certain is the future of WayBackMachine, when disaster strikes, all your links are dead. On the other hand, the original links can still be read from the url, so the original reference is not completely gone.

WayBackMachine alternative, archive.is, has an option to download zip archive of HTML with images and CSS (but no JS) - this way you can preserve and host a copy of original webpage on your own website

Re: Why I link to Wayback Machine instead of original web content

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So, this is the problem of persistence of URL's always referencing the original content, regardless of where it is hosted, in an authoritative way.

It's an okay idea to link to WB, because (a) it's de facto assumed to be authoritative by the wider global community and (b) as an archive it provides a promise that it's URL's will keep pointing to the archived content come what may.

Though, such promises are just that: promises. Over a long period of time, no one can truly guarantee the persistence of a relationship between an URI and the resource it references to. That's not something technology itself solves.

The "original" URI still does carry the most authority, as that's the domain on which the content was first published. Moreover, the author can explicitly point to the original URI as the "canonical" URI in the HTML head of the document.

Moreover, when you link to the WB machine, what do you link to? A specific archived version? Or the overview page with many different archived versions? Which of those versions is currently endorsed by the original publisher, and which are deprecated? How do you know this?

Part of ensuring persistence is the responsibility of original publisher. That's where solutions such as URL resolving come into play. In the academic world, DOI or handle.net are trying to solve this problem. Protocols such as ORE or Memento further try to cater to this issue. It's a rabbit hole, really, when you start to think about this.

Re: Why I link to Wayback Machine instead of original web content

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This is a bad idea...

In the worst case one might write a cool article and get two hits, one noticing it exists, and the other from the archive service. After that it might go viral, but the author may have given up by then.

The author is losing out on inbound links so google thinks their site is irrelevant and gives it a bad pagerank.

All you need to do is get archive.org to take a copy at the time, you can always adjust your link to point to that if the original is dead.

Re: Why I link to Wayback Machine instead of original web content

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If it's not distributed, it is going to disappear.

The waybackmachine is backed by WARC files. It's perhaps the only thing on archive.org that cant be downloaded... well except the original mpg files for 911 news footage.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20623177

Re: Why I link to Wayback Machine instead of original web content

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This is a bad idea... In the worst case one might write a cool article and get two hits, one noticing it exists, and the other from the archive service. After that it might go viral, but the author may have given up by then. The author is losing out on inbound links so google thinks their site is irrelevant and gives it a bad pagerank. All you need to do is get archive.org to take a copy at the time, you can always a…

Google shouldn't be the center of the Web. They could also easily determine where the archive link is pointing to and not penalize. But I guess making sure we align with Google's incentives is more important than just using the Web.
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