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Why Your First House Is A Liability

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#11
Why is Medium filled with, what I call, celery? I consume articles, but there is absolutely no substance.

Is there some unknown incentive for these people to share empty “enlightenment?” It’s as if these people are becoming content farms being graded on number of articles published.

Anyway, this article is garbage.

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#12

Lots of bad financial advice here. “You can’t unlock a house’s appreciation” - wrong, they have home equity lines of credit, refinances with cash out. “You could do so many better things with the money” - you have to live somewhere, wouldn’t you rather live in a nice house with the potential for appreciation than rent with no chance at all? Also, there’s tax advantages to mortgages here in the US. Renting out a house…

The tax advantages are pretty rare now that the standard deduction was raised to $12k per individual. Only something like 10% of homes still use the interest deduction.

And tax laws can change really quickly, so even if it's not used much now, in 6 months it may be most Americans are itemizing again.

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#13
I bought my first house at 24 which is apparently rare nowadays. I sold it and made some money. If I had taken my down payment and invested it in a bunch of AMD stock or something I would have made triple the money. But I don’t regret it - there is something so satisfying about owning the place you live. It’s like a sense of self-efficacy and control over your life that is not the same when you rent. I would recommend any young person to go ahead and buy a house as soon as they have the money for a down payment. There is a lot more benefit than just the financial side of things. I grew up a lot in that house. The freedom of owning your place also comes with the reality that anything that happens to it is on you. The house was the biggest personal responsibility I had ever taken on and it was a great overall life experience.

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Oh god, I’ve thought long and hard about this over the years and my conclusion is that there’s no good advice that applies to everyone - whether you should own or rent depends heavily on what you value, how long you plan to stay put, and what alternatives you have when it comes to what to do with your money.

Renting gives you flexibility and keeps any cash you might have free, but it also is a sunk cost with each passing month. It’s pretty simple math.

Owning a place ties up cash in the form of a down payment, and a lot of people underestimate the true cost of maintenance and repairs over time on both new and old buildings. But the ability to build equity over time and the amount of control it gives you over your living situation makes it an obvious choice for me. If you can get into a multi-family or income generating property, your returns are obviously higher. I’d always look at appreciation potential as a bonus if it happens, it’s never a reason to buy.

I think the truest and most important thing to keep in mind is that money is made and lost when buying real estate, not selling it. Educate yourself, be picky, take your time, be realistic about costs, and do your very best to buy well.

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#15

Why is Medium filled with, what I call, celery? I consume articles, but there is absolutely no substance. Is there some unknown incentive for these people to share empty “enlightenment?” It’s as if these people are becoming content farms being graded on number of articles published. Anyway, this article is garbage.

Offtopic: I’m curious to see how Substack fares and if we will have the same “Substack sucks” attitude from viewers that we’ve seen with Medium. Both it and Reddit are YC ventures and it seems like YC hasn’t moderated away people disparaging how awful Reddit has become in attempting to monetize/ROI it’s audience.

Re: Why Your First House Is A Liability

#16

Why is Medium filled with, what I call, celery? I consume articles, but there is absolutely no substance. Is there some unknown incentive for these people to share empty “enlightenment?” It’s as if these people are becoming content farms being graded on number of articles published. Anyway, this article is garbage.

Medium is very popular among people who are trying to be Thought Leaders but actually have no original thoughts to share

Re: Why Your First House Is A Liability

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post #10

Lots of bad financial advice here. “You can’t unlock a house’s appreciation” - wrong, they have home equity lines of credit, refinances with cash out. “You could do so many better things with the money” - you have to live somewhere, wouldn’t you rather live in a nice house with the potential for appreciation than rent with no chance at all? Also, there’s tax advantages to mortgages here in the US. Renting out a house…

Other major tax advantage is zero tax on up to $250,000 in gains ($500K for married couples)

Taking your point even further, you can raise the cost basis of your house by all the improvements you made to the house while you lived there. If you added a $50k pool to a $400k home, your cost basis is now $450k.

Further, you can deduct all the sales commissions (real estate 6% fees) from the profits as well.

Re: Why Your First House Is A Liability

#18

Forget pure financial calculation -- It also gives you less flexibility to move quickly! I certainly wouldn't buy a house before age 30. You want to be able to pick up and move and chase an opportunity. (I'm awfully glad I got on a plane and moved to Silicon Valley in 1989 on a whim.)

It depends what you buy, and where, and how well you keep up with the property. I sold my first house in 5 days.

Re: Why Your First House Is A Liability

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Lots of bad financial advice here. “You can’t unlock a house’s appreciation” - wrong, they have home equity lines of credit, refinances with cash out. “You could do so many better things with the money” - you have to live somewhere, wouldn’t you rather live in a nice house with the potential for appreciation than rent with no chance at all? Also, there’s tax advantages to mortgages here in the US. Renting out a house…

The tax advantages are pretty rare now that the standard deduction was raised to $12k per individual. Only something like 10% of homes still use the interest deduction.

Yep between the salt tax deduction cap, incredibly low interest rates, recently lowered limit of $750k for how much home value qualifies for the mortgage interest deduction, and recently raised standard deductions, for a married couple (and maybe also for a single person but I haven’t calculated that in detail) the tax benefits of owning a house are very close to 0.

Which is probably a good thing, there’s no need to give the huge breaks we have been the past few decades to people wealthy enough to buy a house. But what a bizarrely complicated way to go about enacting this change instead of just eliminating the mortgage interest deduction altogether.

Re: Why Your First House Is A Liability

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post #14

Oh god, I’ve thought long and hard about this over the years and my conclusion is that there’s no good advice that applies to everyone - whether you should own or rent depends heavily on what you value, how long you plan to stay put, and what alternatives you have when it comes to what to do with your money. Renting gives you flexibility and keeps any cash you might have free, but it also is a sunk cost with each pas…

This idea of appreciation being a bonus is the most important concept in real estate ownership.

Make the math work without appreciation, and you are doing it right.

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