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PicoRio Linux RISC-V SBC is an open-source alternative to Raspberry Pi board

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Re: PicoRio Linux RISC-V SBC is an open-source alternative to Raspberry Pi board

#11
I honestly didn't realise the Raspberry Pi isn't open source. Why isn't it?

The Foundation's charitable objective is education, so sure, it's not necessary, but there really seems to be no reason for it to be closed - I suppose it's just 'closed by default'?

Re: PicoRio Linux RISC-V SBC is an open-source alternative to Raspberry Pi board

#12
Really, it’s the price and mass market availability more than anything else that makes the Raspberry Pi a Raspberry Pi, moreso than the exact featureset (especially considering the difference in capabilities between the original and v4). No word on that, it seems?

Re: PicoRio Linux RISC-V SBC is an open-source alternative to Raspberry Pi board

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post #11

I honestly didn't realise the Raspberry Pi isn't open source. Why isn't it? The Foundation's charitable objective is education, so sure, it's not necessary , but there really seems to be no reason for it to be closed - I suppose it's just 'closed by default'?

The Foundation doesn't make the SoCs, Broadcom does.

Re: PicoRio Linux RISC-V SBC is an open-source alternative to Raspberry Pi board

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post #11

I honestly didn't realise the Raspberry Pi isn't open source. Why isn't it? The Foundation's charitable objective is education, so sure, it's not necessary , but there really seems to be no reason for it to be closed - I suppose it's just 'closed by default'?

I believe it's because the Broadcom System-on-a-Chip (SOC) that the Raspberry Pi uses has one or more binary BLOBS that are required to access features on the SOC. RISC-V is an open standard; chips made based on this standard are open source.

Re: PicoRio Linux RISC-V SBC is an open-source alternative to Raspberry Pi board

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post #2

Promising hardware, though this isn't looking like comparable hardware even to the Raspberry Pi Zero. Only has a quad-core 64-bit RISC-V (RV64GC) processor at 500+ MHz. RAM size not specified. If it was priced in the $5-15 range it would be more or less practical, but higher than that I'd be buying it solely for the architecture novelty.

A board competitive with the Raspberry Pi 1B (800 MHz single core) is not "incomparable."

Re: PicoRio Linux RISC-V SBC is an open-source alternative to Raspberry Pi board

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post #14
post #11

I honestly didn't realise the Raspberry Pi isn't open source. Why isn't it? The Foundation's charitable objective is education, so sure, it's not necessary , but there really seems to be no reason for it to be closed - I suppose it's just 'closed by default'?

I believe it's because the Broadcom System-on-a-Chip (SOC) that the Raspberry Pi uses has one or more binary BLOBS that are required to access features on the SOC. RISC-V is an open standard; chips made based on this standard are open source.

The RISC-V standard allows proprietary implementations, and several proprietary implementations exist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC-V#Implementations

Re: PicoRio Linux RISC-V SBC is an open-source alternative to Raspberry Pi board

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post #7

One of the comments I made to myself was that on the die shots, USB3 part is as big as a CPU core ! What would need so much silicon ? Isn't USB3 hardware more or less a serial bus? Is it logic or memory or analog interface parts here? I am curious.

Doesn't the SoC include the actual USB-A connector?

Re: PicoRio Linux RISC-V SBC is an open-source alternative to Raspberry Pi board

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post #17

Why is RISC-V even so hyped up/successful? Other open ISAs precede it, and AFAIK the code density that RISC-V allows is disappointing considering the designers had an opportunity to start from scratch.

https://riscv.org/risc-v-genealogy/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC-V#History

Re: PicoRio Linux RISC-V SBC is an open-source alternative to Raspberry Pi board

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post #2

Promising hardware, though this isn't looking like comparable hardware even to the Raspberry Pi Zero. Only has a quad-core 64-bit RISC-V (RV64GC) processor at 500+ MHz. RAM size not specified. If it was priced in the $5-15 range it would be more or less practical, but higher than that I'd be buying it solely for the architecture novelty.

A board competitive with the Raspberry Pi 1B (800 MHz single core) is not "incomparable."

The 1B came out in 2012, and you can now get a Pi with 4× Cortex-A72 1.5 GHz and 2 GB of RAM for the same price as the 1B cost then. The title does say "alternative".
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