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VMware launches Node.js, Rails and Spring PaaS

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Re: VMware launches Node.js, Rails and Spring PaaS

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That seems pretty reasonable, and maybe even necessary. If they're copying your code around or distributing it to users, they may need those rights. "..solely as necessary for Cloud Foundry to provide the Service..." is the key point, there.

Just so I understand you correctly, does that imply that their intention is to prevent being sued if they need to change your code in order for it to work on the platform, in the event of say, an upgrade of their core infrastructure? If so, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks.

I think their intention is to not be sued if they need to redistribute your code in order to run the platform. This means they might need to copy it to other instances, send copyrightable assets (javascript, css, images) to users as is, etc.

But yes, it would also give them the right to change things as necessary to run the service. It could cover installing additional plugins like Heroku does, or munging config files, or even doing things like partially compiling source to some target.

By default, they really don't have the legal right to do a bunch of those things. Some of them are vague and arguable since hosting doesn't exactly fit into copyright law all the time, so companies will sometimes put in clauses like this that explicitly grant them rights that might otherwise seem like common sense. It may be obvious to you and me, but it's now spelled out in an agreement "just in case".

Re: VMware launches Node.js, Rails and Spring PaaS

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This seems fine for fun apps or testing, but I would be incredibly concerned to agree with these terms of service if I was running production software or charging for it. From their terms of service: b. Your Applications and Code. If You create online applications or program code using the Service, You authorize Cloud Foundry to host, copy, transmit, display and adapt such applications and program code, solely as nec…

Why are you concerned about this specifically?

It appears they're gaining the authorization required to run your app.

Re: VMware launches Node.js, Rails and Spring PaaS

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It also supports multiple frameworks/languages.

Technically, so does Heroku. CloudFoundry does offer Java support, which is a bit different. I am interested to see how it looks once it gets out of beta. I am betting it will be a solid platform, but after seeing the demo a few months ago at RubyConf, it did feel like a model I had seen before.

As someone who would like to give Heroku a bit of a twisting sometimes, I'm all for it (even if that's all it is). Having a company like VMware offer to run my Rack and Node apps side by side would be useful.

Re: VMware launches Node.js, Rails and Spring PaaS

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Well, to make the license question easier, their invite request form is utterly unusable on Android. I apparently need to 'scroll to the bottom' to submit to a dubiously enforceable license before even being allowed to see their beta, exciting action made anyway imposible by the broken design.

Node.js notwithstanding, this tastes from the start like a proper enterprise service.

Re: VMware launches Node.js, Rails and Spring PaaS

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"the industry’s first open platform as a service". First? How is this different from Heroku and other such folks?

The stack is open source: http://cloudfoundry.org/

Impressive! Now their string of open source acquisitions makes sense.

Re: VMware launches Node.js, Rails and Spring PaaS

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I was suprised no virtualisation is included in the solution (or I did not find the parts in the github repos). Seriously, shared-hosting is so 1996 from a security perspective.

So for me It will be "just" an "internal cloud" solution and maybe replace capistrano. Still, puppet and chef will do the "physical"/"system" provisioning for my customers and my projects.

Re: VMware launches Node.js, Rails and Spring PaaS

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Very interesting. I'm glad more Heroku-like services are sprining up, specially with support for Node.js

This is a much needed service, and although some solutions already exist, they're far from perfect, and there's certainly lots of space for competition.

Re: VMware launches Node.js, Rails and Spring PaaS

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It definitely makes sense for VMware to build and open source this, since their core business is selling the virtualization software this runs on top of (I assume).

Though I wonder how much of it is really VMware specific, or if it would be relatively easy to port to Xen, etc.

Edit: actually it appears it might be agnostic to the virtualization layer.

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