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Re: Merkel demands answers from Putin over Navalny's attempted murder

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Post by coolspot » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 5:38 AM UTC

rasz wrote: post #2

While the other hand is happily building Putins pipeline despite almost whole EU opposition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream#Nord_Stream_2

What else Germany can do if they shut down and demonized all nuclear energy?

Winters are cold and they don’t want to freeze to death as their grandfathers in 1941 (https://archive.is/csslJ).

They can’t burn coal for political reasons (green party), there is no enough solar generation, especially under winter sun, so they burn natural gas, which is cleanest fossil fuel.

Re: Merkel demands answers from Putin over Navalny's attempted murder

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Post by jariel » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 5:43 AM UTC

Nginx487 wrote: post #10

I'm sure, civilized world can demand answers from Kim Jong Un about working camps in his country, or Xi Jinping about concentration camps for Uighurs with the same probability of success. Dictators don't care what people outside their dictatorship think and do, unless it possesses direct threat to their power. Russia has nukes and seems do not care about sanctions (I mean, starving people without access to medication…

Russia would care tremendously if their resources were sanctioned.

Re: Merkel demands answers from Putin over Navalny's attempted murder

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Post by anniefrost » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 6:27 AM UTC

Wald76 wrote: post #5

simonblack wrote: post #3

I'd demand answers too. How come a 'military grade' nerve agent that should be capable of killing hundreds almost instantly is such a failure that it hardly works at all?

It’s interesting that (a) a military grade nerve agent was used, (b) the dosage given was sub-lethal, and (c) Putin had no qualms about releasing Navalny to German care. Makes you wonder if this was all about sending a message.

The problem is who(s) is the one sending message. Putin or someone who doesn't like Putin sitting on his office.

Re: Merkel demands answers from Putin over Navalny's attempted murder

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Post by anniefrost » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 6:35 AM UTC

Nginx487 wrote: post #10

I'm sure, civilized world can demand answers from Kim Jong Un about working camps in his country, or Xi Jinping about concentration camps for Uighurs with the same probability of success. Dictators don't care what people outside their dictatorship think and do, unless it possesses direct threat to their power. Russia has nukes and seems do not care about sanctions (I mean, starving people without access to medication…

I'm sure the civilized world could also answer about how they monitor everyone, how they helped middle east, and how they pressured every country to submit to their demands.

Re: Merkel demands answers from Putin over Navalny's attempted murder

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Post by Nginx487 » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 7:32 AM UTC

anniefrost wrote: post #13

Wald76 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s interesting that (a) a military grade nerve agent was used, (b) the dosage given was sub-lethal, and (c) Putin had no qualms about releasing Navalny to German care. Makes you wonder if this was all about sending a message.

The problem is who(s) is the one sending message. Putin or someone who doesn't like Putin sitting on his office.

People who don't like Putin won't stay long in the office/alive. He's a KGB agent, paranoid about keeping his power, I'm quite sure all activities of Kremlin officials receive his approval someway.

Re: Merkel demands answers from Putin over Navalny's attempted murder

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Post by lowdose » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 6:09 PM UTC

rasz wrote: post #2

While the other hand is happily building Putins pipeline despite almost whole EU opposition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream#Nord_Stream_2

Yes, it's posture for the populace. The moment the West invaded Iraq and Afghanistan we lost all moral high ground to make a judgement about what people are allowed to do beyond the geographic area they control. Especially since that murder execution style on Osama Bin Laden.

The Whole West World is compromised because none of our institutions prevented this nor were the guilty war criminals prosecuted.

Re: Merkel demands answers from Putin over Navalny's attempted murder

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Post by foxyv » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 3:43 PM UTC

coolspot wrote: post #11

rasz wrote: post #2

While the other hand is happily building Putins pipeline despite almost whole EU opposition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream#Nord_Stream_2

What else Germany can do if they shut down and demonized all nuclear energy? Winters are cold and they don’t want to freeze to death as their grandfathers in 1941 ( https://archive.is/csslJ ). They can’t burn coal for political reasons (green party), there is no enough solar generation, especially under winter sun, so they burn natural gas, which is cleanest fossil fuel.

I wonder if they would be interested in NuScale's new micro reactors. No more of the PWRs that they are scared shirtless about but they don't have to burn half the oil in the world to stay warm.