Jeff has a lot of money. Surely workers rights don't hit the bottom line that hard. Does Jeff not know that everyone will remember him for this behavior?
It's not just about money. It's about power.
Amazon deletes job listings for analysts to track ‘labor organizing threats’
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#12Is that even legal? I thought the US or most states at least like most other countries have laws against undermining the ability of employees to organise.
If you've ever worked in retail, one of the first "training" videos they show you is an anti-union informational video. One of the big points of the videos is to report union organizers to management ASAP. This kind of training is extremely common for low wage jobs in the U.S. If almost all large retailers are doing it, it mustn't be illegal, or not enforced.
Saw these videos during my first job (cart attendant at Target). This behavior happens at every big company, both in and outside of tech.
I remember the video being incredibly weird - they basically posited unions as bad because nonmembers would feel socially isolated from member. Eg - in one clip two workers would be gossiping about info from a members-only meeting and the moment a nonmember walked up to them, they became quiet and it turned into this strange teen drama.
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#13This article is ridiculous. It makes a bunch of unfounded assumptions and provides very little in the way of facts to support its claims. Did anyone actually read the job postings before jumping to conclusions?
>Monitor various collection platforms for incidents that pose direct and indirect risk to Amazon operations, personnel, or brand;
There is nothing in there about union busting or making sure employees don't organize. This author is naive to think that Amazon isn't dealing with state level threats. They likely need state level intelligence.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200901125940/https://www.amazo...
https://web.archive.org/web/20200901142713/https://www.amazo...
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#14This does not surprise me. I've been waiting to see corporate intelligence agencies pop up. When you think about it, Amazon had an operating budget last year of around $309 billion [1], already 75% of Germany's at $399 billion [2]. Facebook has an operating budget of around $35 billion, but that is still enough to field a small intelligence arm. Also, that is Facebook..not all Facebook properties combined.
[1] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AMZN/amazon/operat...
[2] https://www.dw.com/en/german-parliament-passes-record-budget....
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#15Why would Amazon want to prevent workers from unionizing? Look what it did for teaching, policing, mail delivery, port security, taxi driving, waste management, public service, and construction.
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#16Having been a part of a union I was mandated to enter when I took the job until the supreme court ruled that wasn't legal, actual unions are a far cry from how they are portrayed as helping the worker.
I would honestly do anything in my power to not have to work in a union again. They are set up as antagonistic between administration and workers, and adds a layer of bureaucracy that I've only seen be negative. I've worked with people who effectively could never be fired and were so bad at their jobs they spread negativity with everyone they encountered.
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#17Not surprised. Tech companies (Facebook and Google in this case, and probably others) have been known to retain Pinkerton agents to monitor employees. Yes, those Pinkertons.
“Among other services, Pinkerton offers to send investigators to coffee shops or restaurants near a company’s campus to eavesdrop on employees’ conversations.”
https://newrepublic.com/article/147619/pinkertons-still-neve...
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#18Jeff has a lot of money. Surely workers rights don't hit the bottom line that hard. Does Jeff not know that everyone will remember him for this behavior?
> Does Jeff not know that everyone will remember him for this behavior? This presupposes that Jeff cares about his legacy. I genuinely don't know what drives him; my best guess is 'making Amazon ever more successful'.
Wasn't there an article about him saying that he fancy himself as real life capt. Picard?
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#19Never ask the drivers about unionizing. I'm not saying that they will report it to their boss who will mess with your orders and deliveries.
But I am also not not saying that.
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#20Having been a part of a union I was mandated to enter when I took the job until the supreme court ruled that wasn't legal, actual unions are a far cry from how they are portrayed as helping the worker. I would honestly do anything in my power to not have to work in a union again. They are set up as antagonistic between administration and workers, and adds a layer of bureaucracy that I've only seen be negative. I've w…
Isn’t this kind of separate from Amazon’s actions though? Unless you’re positing that Amazon is actually acting in the interest of their employees, or thinks they are?