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Noam Chomsky: 'There's never been a moment in human history' like this one

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Re: Noam Chomsky: 'There's never been a moment in human history' like this one

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Post by r32a_ »

caymanjim wrote: post #7

Way to throw the hyperbole, Noam. "Right now" doesn't even crack the top five most historically-important periods in the past century, much less all of human history. There are some unusual things going on right now, but the only one that's going to be remembered in a few decades is Covid. By most other metrics, it's business as usual. From an American perspective, it's absurd to elevate "now" above the Great Depress…

On the eve of World War 2, I am certain that people couldn't possibly imagine what was in front of them.

Re: Noam Chomsky: 'There's never been a moment in human history' like this one

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Post by techer »

caymanjim wrote: post #7

Way to throw the hyperbole, Noam. "Right now" doesn't even crack the top five most historically-important periods in the past century, much less all of human history. There are some unusual things going on right now, but the only one that's going to be remembered in a few decades is Covid. By most other metrics, it's business as usual. From an American perspective, it's absurd to elevate "now" above the Great Depress…

I disagree. Covid is a catalyst, instant communication and misinformation is out of control and as someone who has boots on the ground, I’ve never seen such worry and lack of hope in my life.

Re: Noam Chomsky: 'There's never been a moment in human history' like this one

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Post by tome »

s5300 wrote: post #9
tome wrote: post #6

> Noam Chomsky said humans are living through the darkest and most consequential time in history. > Chomsky said the current age is a “point of confluence of severe crises,” including the threat of nuclear war, climate change, a raging pandemic, economic depression and racial unrest in the United States. The period between 1914 and 1945 would probably beg to differ. I've found it interesting to read "left" and "right…

Everything else aside; where do you get the slightest clue from Trump and his life history that he "understands the working class" Like, that's such a low ball man. Do you understand the working class?

I think he understands that a large swath of working class Americans (particularly, but not only, white men) have had the wind knocked out of their sails by the social changes of the last approximately thirty years, and the economic changes due to offshoring their jobs to the developing world over the same period.

> Do you understand the working class?

I'm not sure, man. Like, do you?

Re: Noam Chomsky: 'There's never been a moment in human history' like this one

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Post by waheoo »

tome wrote: post #13
s5300 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything else aside; where do you get the slightest clue from Trump and his life history that he "understands the working class" Like, that's such a low ball man. Do you understand the working class?

I think he understands that a large swath of working class Americans (particularly, but not only, white men) have had the wind knocked out of their sails by the social changes of the last approximately thirty years, and the economic changes due to offshoring their jobs to the developing world over the same period. > Do you understand the working class? I'm not sure, man. Like, do you ?

The fact that you're already getting downvoted for a completely unsided viewpoint is pretty much proof in the pudding for what time pool calls trump derangement syndrome.

People have actually lost the plot, I think trump is a horrible person but the way people react to anyone even remotely suggesting a viewpoint inline with his and you're a scumbag racist that needs to be cancelled.

Re: Noam Chomsky: 'There's never been a moment in human history' like this one

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Post by op03 »

tome wrote: post #6

> Noam Chomsky said humans are living through the darkest and most consequential time in history. > Chomsky said the current age is a “point of confluence of severe crises,” including the threat of nuclear war, climate change, a raging pandemic, economic depression and racial unrest in the United States. The period between 1914 and 1945 would probably beg to differ. I've found it interesting to read "left" and "right…

Thinking clearly has been effected ever since a Like count showed up next to every human thought.

Misguided people are surrounded by misguided people. And Like count made sure they all upvoted each other. Reinforcing Beliefs and Behavior.

Its not a coincidence the Tea Party grew along with social medias rise. Similar groups have emerged all over the planet.

Remove/Hide/Delay the Like Count and Behavior will change. That will be the calming force. Social medias current control rods to stop chain reactions are too ineffective.

Re: Noam Chomsky: 'There's never been a moment in human history' like this one

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Post by aaron695 »

guerrilla wrote: post #10
caymanjim wrote: post #7

Way to throw the hyperbole, Noam. "Right now" doesn't even crack the top five most historically-important periods in the past century, much less all of human history. There are some unusual things going on right now, but the only one that's going to be remembered in a few decades is Covid. By most other metrics, it's business as usual. From an American perspective, it's absurd to elevate "now" above the Great Depress…

That's only if things turn out fine. It seems like he thinks nuclear war is actually possible and the effects of climate change are coming soon and big. If that's so (I'm not saying it is) then what could possibly be comparable?

> It seems like he thinks nuclear war is actually possible and the effects of climate change are coming soon and big. If that's so (I'm not saying it is) then what could possibly be comparable?

That is a tautology kinda.

If we assume something that's bigger than anything else happens, what was bigger.

Nuclear war is silly, because The Cuban Missile crisis was scarier and probably would have been worse if it had of kicked off.

If climate change all happens in a year instead of 100 years, it's big, but not that big. You'd notice it less that the coronavirus.

Re: Noam Chomsky: 'There's never been a moment in human history' like this one

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Post by tome »

waheoo wrote: post #15
tome wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he understands that a large swath of working class Americans (particularly, but not only, white men) have had the wind knocked out of their sails by the social changes of the last approximately thirty years, and the economic changes due to offshoring their jobs to the developing world over the same period. > Do you understand the working class? I'm not sure, man. Like, do you ?

The fact that you're already getting downvoted for a completely unsided viewpoint is pretty much proof in the pudding for what time pool calls trump derangement syndrome. People have actually lost the plot, I think trump is a horrible person but the way people react to anyone even remotely suggesting a viewpoint inline with his and you're a scumbag racist that needs to be cancelled.

Ah yes, good point! I also forgot to mention that the Tea Party had "Obama Derangement Syndrome". It was obvious that they took everything Obama said or did in the worst possible light. Sometimes they even made things up! Now almost the entire Democratic party and left wing in the US (and indeed around the world) has Trump Derangement Syndrome. He can't say anything without it being misinterpreted and broadcast all around the world within five minutes.

Re: Noam Chomsky: 'There's never been a moment in human history' like this one

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Post by tome »

aaron695 wrote: post #17
guerrilla wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's only if things turn out fine. It seems like he thinks nuclear war is actually possible and the effects of climate change are coming soon and big. If that's so (I'm not saying it is) then what could possibly be comparable?

> It seems like he thinks nuclear war is actually possible and the effects of climate change are coming soon and big. If that's so (I'm not saying it is) then what could possibly be comparable? That is a tautology kinda. If we assume something that's bigger than anything else happens, what was bigger. Nuclear war is silly, because The Cuban Missile crisis was scarier and probably would have been worse if it had of ki…

> If climate change all happens in a year instead of 100 years, it's big, but not that big. You'd notice it less that the coronavirus.

That's interesting. Can you say more about that? It's very much counter to the conventional wisdom (mass death, mass migration, mass starvation, destruction of coastal civilisation, etc..)

Re: Noam Chomsky: 'There's never been a moment in human history' like this one

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Post by aww_dang »

Doomsayers should understand that opponents hear the following:

"This time is different. The end is nigh. Our only hope is for heathens to ascribe to our morally superior political ideology and central planning. Heretic unbelievers must accept the gospel truths of technocracy and scientism!"

Make what you will of that, but there must be a more effective way to communicate. Doomsaying is not uncommon. Nor are ideologues seeking power while claiming the mantle of "collective good". Suspicion is not unwarranted.

Please don't read this as a denial of the existence of backward and regressive individuals. Thanks.

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