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The Social Fabric of the U.S. Is Fraying Severely, If Not Unravelling

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Re: The Social Fabric of the U.S. Is Fraying Severely, If Not Unravelling

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Post by [deleted] »

Galaxity wrote: post #10
mikece wrote: post #2

Could it possibly be aggravated by the media telling us things that are obviously and immediately contradicted from what we see of raw, first person video accounts on Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube?

I see no reason to believe that. What is an example where videos on social media contradict the news reporters? It does seem likely though that these videos on social media are showing media are showing one perspective that easily misleads people who then don't receive the context of the situation or view sfrom other angles that news media provides far better.

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Re: The Social Fabric of the U.S. Is Fraying Severely, If Not Unravelling

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Post by abraxas »

mikece wrote: post #9
harimau777 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think that's true of both sides? As a progressive, a lot of my frustration with "the other side" is that they seem to ignore what I'm seeing in the first person video accounts. However, I'm wondering if people on the other side feel the same way about me.

One of the sources for "raw info" that I follow is the No Agenda Podcast (co-hosted by former MTV VJ and co-inventor or podcasting Adam Curry and former tech columnist John C. Dvorak). They position their podcast as "media deconstruction" and contrasting what the media say versus what is actually going on, and they slam Fox News every bit as much -- if not more -- as anyone else. I'll tell you what gives me hope thou…

If your source of information is Adam Curry then I just don't know what to tell you. On that note alone I'm pessimistic that we could have a meaningful conversation. That fella is so unhinged he is likely an undiagnosed schizophrenic.

Also we are not likely to agree on 80% of the issues. At least not when weighted by relevance. People who make fun of the catastrophe that is climate change and the collapse of the ecosystems will never find a common ground with progressives.

I'm sorry to tell you this but the modern conservative movements have taken a divorce from reality and dwell in an alternative reality that only exists in their minds.

I just can't see a common ground to launch from. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts.

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Post by StephenAmar »

mikece wrote: post #2

Could it possibly be aggravated by the media telling us things that are obviously and immediately contradicted from what we see of raw, first person video accounts on Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube?

I'm sorry but I need an example. This is not my daily experience.

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Post by phobosanomaly »

mikece wrote: post #2

Could it possibly be aggravated by the media telling us things that are obviously and immediately contradicted from what we see of raw, first person video accounts on Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube?

Back then 'the media' was a thing. Walter Cronkite would come on TV and tell everybody what was going on, and you'd see some footage of some guys in Vietnam looking miserable and that was it. That level of political simplification isn't an option anymore. We're no longer hidden from the complexities festering beneath the surface of everything happening around us.

Re: The Social Fabric of the U.S. Is Fraying Severely, If Not Unravelling

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Post by [deleted] »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #8
harimau777 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think that's true of both sides? As a progressive, a lot of my frustration with "the other side" is that they seem to ignore what I'm seeing in the first person video accounts. However, I'm wondering if people on the other side feel the same way about me.

Maybe those who identify as a truth seeker instead of as a progressive or a conservative find it easier to see what is happening in the world. Where do your first person video accounts come from? Are the edited? Are the missing content at the start or at the end that other first person video accounts include? Would your sources ever admit this or would you have to go to "the other side" to find the video in its entir…

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Post by rdiddly »

harimau777 wrote: post #5
mikece wrote: post #2

Could it possibly be aggravated by the media telling us things that are obviously and immediately contradicted from what we see of raw, first person video accounts on Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube?

Do you think that's true of both sides? As a progressive, a lot of my frustration with "the other side" is that they seem to ignore what I'm seeing in the first person video accounts. However, I'm wondering if people on the other side feel the same way about me.

The belief that there are two sides, in the first place, is a problem.

Re: The Social Fabric of the U.S. Is Fraying Severely, If Not Unravelling

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Post by duncan_bayne »

harimau777 wrote: post #5
mikece wrote: post #2

Could it possibly be aggravated by the media telling us things that are obviously and immediately contradicted from what we see of raw, first person video accounts on Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube?

Do you think that's true of both sides? As a progressive, a lot of my frustration with "the other side" is that they seem to ignore what I'm seeing in the first person video accounts. However, I'm wondering if people on the other side feel the same way about me.

I'm sure they do. Rand was writing about this back in the 30s / 40s:

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"Oh, yes," she answered. "The house you own on East Twelfth Street, Mrs. Palmer ... has a sewer that gets clogged every other day and runs over, all through the courtyard. It looks blue and purple in the sun, like a rainbow."

"The block you control for the Claridge estate, Mr. Brooks, has the most attractive stalactites growing on all the ceilings ..."

She was asked to speak at a meeting of social workers. It was an important meeting, with a militant, radical mood, led by some of the most prominent women in the field. ... She said, among many other things: "The family on the first floor rear do not bother to pay their rent, and the children cannot go to school for lack of clothes. The father has a charge account at a corner speak-easy. He is in good health and has a good job. ... In the fourth floor front, the father of the family has not done a whole day's work in his life, and does not intend to. There are nine children, supported by the local parish. There is a tenth one on its way..."

...

"Look, you know, I've heard about that swank dinner where you made certain remarks on this same subject. And then you go and say things like these at a radical meeting."

"They're true, though, both sides of it, aren't they?"

"Oh, sure, but couldn't you have reversed the occasions when you chose to express them?"

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Post by throw149102 »

mikece wrote: post #2

Could it possibly be aggravated by the media telling us things that are obviously and immediately contradicted from what we see of raw, first person video accounts on Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube?

I think the problem denoted in the article is far larger than losing a trust in news media because of what people are seeing on a video. Thinking that CNN is full of crap doesn't make young and healthy people want to kill themselves, and that's where we are. Like the article said, we have a generation of people who are so lonely and depressed that 25% of them have thought seriously about suicide in the past 30 days. We're living in a death cult.

That's not to say that the loss of faith in institutions, especially the news, isn't a big deal, but personally I think this problem is 10 to 100 times bigger than that. It's an economic collapse, a pandemic, growing income inequality, climate change, the effect of technology on our minds, what we put into our bodies, and a thousand other things I can't even begin to name.

The more I read and think about the world today, the more I think that mental health is the problem of the 21st century, and that the previous list of issues is actually all secondary to the problem of mental health. There are enough resources and enough intelligence to solve all of those problems and more if we had the will.

Re: The Social Fabric of the U.S. Is Fraying Severely, If Not Unravelling

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Post by aaron695 »

>Many people fortunate enough to have survived this pandemic with their physical health intact

It's just the flu for 90% of people.

So this constant you are a 'survivor' for everything that happens to you can't be helping.

We now take pride in anti-stoicism.

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