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Japan facing credit card number shortage

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Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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Can Japan not obtain another country code from Visa/Mastercard (part of the first 6 digits)?

I assume that it could work as a temporary solution but the article hints that this problem will likely become global soon. So, instead of moving numbers, it's easier to add some and increase the possible combinations.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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Assuming the last digit is a checksum and the first six are taken by the routing information, that leaves them 9 digits or a billion possible numbers per credit card issuer. Japan has a population of about 125 million. Are Japanese people cycling their numbers so frequently? Or are they big on ephemeral card numbers? Is it not possible for an issuer to get a second prefix if they run out of digits? I also wonder if c…

I don't see how token based transactions would improve the situation. You still require a unique identifier per issuer per client per account.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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>the company decided to take makeshift measures such as reusing credit card numbers of discontinued cards after a certain period had passed since cardholders canceled their memberships. However, there are considerable risks of fraudulent usage What are the risks here, and why aren't they already present by someone generating credit card numbers with a RNG? AFAIK credit card transactions are authenticated by at least…

What if they switched CC numbers TO IPV6 addresses? Insane or genius?

To what end? You want your card to be internet addressable?

Also, I'm not enthusiastic about trying to communicate an IPv6 address over the phone to the wage slave working at the pizza joint. You'd have to implement one of those address-to-word setups, which would make for some amusing card "numbers". How would you like getting a card with "chinky challis uta ablow wiry rehaul a carotin" on the front?

Something like: http://jubei.ceyah.org/cgi-bin/ipv6toenglish

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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Something not clear from the article: The tech already supports longer numbers. Diners, Discover, UnionPay cards already allow up to 19 digits officially. The problem could be in the custom forms which think 4x4 is the right format, but the back-end should "just work" with them.

What I really don't understand is why the article makes it seem like a national problem given the prefix is assigned to the companies, rather than countries as such. (Although companies will get ranges and then assign specific IINs countries normally)

It seems that IINs are undergoing changes anyway and April 2022 is a deadline for everyone to support 8-digit prefixes correctly.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

#16
post #6

Assuming the last digit is a checksum and the first six are taken by the routing information, that leaves them 9 digits or a billion possible numbers per credit card issuer. Japan has a population of about 125 million. Are Japanese people cycling their numbers so frequently? Or are they big on ephemeral card numbers? Is it not possible for an issuer to get a second prefix if they run out of digits? I also wonder if c…

I don't see how token based transactions would improve the situation. You still require a unique identifier per issuer per client per account.

The identifier is hidden from the user so if it's huge and complex that is no problem. My point is that we're talking about putting a lot of effort into overhauling the system to support a scheme that is arguably already obsolete. If we're putting in the effort we should just remove the old insecure digits entirely and focus on a cleaner modern solution.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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SUrely, there's some inefficiency in how numbers are used... 10 quadrillion for 7.5 billion people isn't enough?

The credit card number space is not running out of numbers. Also, credit card numbers aren't random; they have a structure[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_card_number#Structure

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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post #14

SUrely, there's some inefficiency in how numbers are used... 10 quadrillion for 7.5 billion people isn't enough?

"The first six digits represent the country, brand, and the type of card issuer and other elements". The last digit is a check digit so it's actually only 1 billion.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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post #14

SUrely, there's some inefficiency in how numbers are used... 10 quadrillion for 7.5 billion people isn't enough?

The first digits are a header identifying the type of the card, (visa, mastercard...) and probably other characteristics.

The main problem is that in Japan everybody has like 5 credit cards, because every big company has its own financial branch and issues cards (maybe to profit from a "reservoir" effect of the accounts?). So you have a credit card linked to your clothes shop, one from your supermarket, one from Rakuten (Japan's Amazon), etc. You get points when you buy things from the company linked to your card. I don't know how it is in US, but it certainly isn't like that in France for example.

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