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Re: The Great Firewall Of China. Explained.

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Post by nodata » Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 1:23 PM UTC

jackvalentine wrote: post #10

nodata wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Since our classification scheme arguably has next to zero effect on someone who isn't inside Australia, their opinions on what we decide to enact are irrelevant and nosey. I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic here, but in case you're not: the idea that people are not allowed to have opinions on things that don't directly affect them is startling. The "variation" you provide is false. Someone holding a reasoned o…

I didn't say someone can't have opinions, but I did say I find their opinions irrelevant. I realise that example was poorly worded, but I think you get the idea. It'd probably be better phrased as "Why do you think we're interested in you telling us what we should/should not do with our wives in our own homes?"

And I say informed opinion beats uninformed opinion no matter where the person is.

Re: The Great Firewall Of China. Explained.

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Post by jackvalentine » Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 1:32 PM UTC

nodata wrote: post #11

jackvalentine wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say someone can't have opinions, but I did say I find their opinions irrelevant. I realise that example was poorly worded, but I think you get the idea. It'd probably be better phrased as "Why do you think we're interested in you telling us what we should/should not do with our wives in our own homes?"

And I say informed opinion beats uninformed opinion no matter where the person is.

Things get murky though, when we're discussing something so inherently culture & values based like where to draw the line with film classification.

Re: The Great Firewall Of China. Explained.

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Post by dvfer » Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 1:44 PM UTC

Well... from a positive perspective, it creates so many jobs. Pointless and a job hated by people around the world. At least no one's dying... or is it a good thing no one's dying?

Re: The Great Firewall Of China. Explained.

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Post by anamax » Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 4:46 PM UTC

jackvalentine wrote: post #8

nodata wrote: post #7

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Your attitude does come across as hostile, mainly because of this sentence: "I am increasingly annoyed at foreigners decrying our classification scheme as uniformly bad". It's irrelevant if someone is foreign. What matters if people are informed. Australian censorship system is expensive with unclear benefits. So I'd take two counter positions: 1. The money could be better spent elsewhere. 2. Let's see how well the s…

> It's irrelevant if someone is foreign. What matters if people are informed. I disagree. Since our classification scheme arguably has next to zero effect on someone who isn't inside Australia, their opinions on what we decide to enact are irrelevant and nosey. A variation on "Why should you be able to tell me what I can/cannot do in bed with my wife?" really. It'd be different if we had any effect on the ability for…

> Since our classification scheme arguably has next to zero effect on someone who isn't inside Australia, their opinions on what we decide to enact are irrelevant and nosey.

(1) Our bureaucrats often look to other countries for ideas.

(2) In every discussion of US healthcare, someone from Oz pops up with "why don't you do it like we do". (Of course, they're not the only ones who do so.)

Re: The Great Firewall Of China. Explained.

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Apr 09, 2011, 3:49 AM UTC

anamax wrote: post #14

jackvalentine wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's irrelevant if someone is foreign. What matters if people are informed. I disagree. Since our classification scheme arguably has next to zero effect on someone who isn't inside Australia, their opinions on what we decide to enact are irrelevant and nosey. A variation on "Why should you be able to tell me what I can/cannot do in bed with my wife?" really. It'd be different if we had any effect on the ability for…

> Since our classification scheme arguably has next to zero effect on someone who isn't inside Australia, their opinions on what we decide to enact are irrelevant and nosey. (1) Our bureaucrats often look to other countries for ideas. (2) In every discussion of US healthcare, someone from Oz pops up with "why don't you do it like we do". (Of course, they're not the only ones who do so.)

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