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Putting on the Brakes: Mankind Nears the End of the Age of Speed

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Re: Putting on the Brakes: Mankind Nears the End of the Age of Speed

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The whole problem is friction. Give me the robots to build an evacuated tunnel from Australia to the US with a maglev train in it and I'll show you what "speed" means.

are you telling me there is less air friction 4km below sea level than there is 12km above it?

The key word is "evacuated"

There is less air friction if your tunnel is maintained at vacuum.

Re: Putting on the Brakes: Mankind Nears the End of the Age of Speed

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What's really incredible is that the SR-71 was built in the 1960's. I just read Ben Rich's book about his days at the Skunk Works and it was incredible to see what they had to do to build a titanium airplane. Tools would break when attempting to drill through the material. The plan would stretch several inches in length during flight from heat expansion. The cockpit would get so hot that they risked cooking the pilot alive if the air conditioning failed (and don't ever touch the windshield if you want to keep your hands). LA to DC in 62 minutes!

I'd like to think we've got something faster now that's just classified but I suspect we've gone to slower remote drones and satellite data that has less political repercussions.

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The whole problem is friction. Give me the robots to build an evacuated tunnel from Australia to the US with a maglev train in it and I'll show you what "speed" means.

Does the population of Malaysia count as robots?

Ok, it was a snarky reply, but the point was, we don't exactly need robots so much as labor to do anything... was it downvoted because it was a one liner, or simply crass?

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are you telling me there is less air friction 4km below sea level than there is 12km above it?

The key word is "evacuated" There is less air friction if your tunnel is maintained at vacuum.

Interesting. I wonder what kind of energy is needed to keep 12000km long tunnel situated 4+km below sea level at partial vacuum...

Without even getting into problems that will occur at tectonic plate boundaries...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The key word is "evacuated" There is less air friction if your tunnel is maintained at vacuum.

Interesting. I wonder what kind of energy is needed to keep 12000km long tunnel situated 4+km below sea level at partial vacuum... Without even getting into problems that will occur at tectonic plate boundaries...

Well, once the thing was built you'd expect that particular task to be quite easy. An airtight tunnel surrounded by kilometres of rock - not much air down there in the first place, and you'd just need some effective airlocks on the ends.

Not to downplay the size of the task, of course; it would be an astonishing feat of engineering and probably quite out of our reach for the foreseeable future, at any kind of reasonable cost anyway. The tectonic boundaries, as you say, would present a particularly challenging aspect of the project. However, theoretically it's probably the most efficient way from A to B on our little blue marble and so no doubt it'll be done eventually.

Re: Putting on the Brakes: Mankind Nears the End of the Age of Speed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you telling me there is less air friction 4km below sea level than there is 12km above it?

The key word is "evacuated" There is less air friction if your tunnel is maintained at vacuum.

> There is less air friction if your tunnel is maintained at vacuum.

Indeed there is zero! Realistically speaking of course, a hard vacuum will be difficult. Even a 0.10 atmosphere would be a huge improvement. Or the intriguing possibility of pressurising but with a less dense gas. Helium, for example is about 1/10th the usual mix of gasses on earth. You could put a plastic sleeve over the shinkansen routes, fill it with helium, and see air resistance drop 90%. We might not actually have enough helium for that, though.

I'm just trying to say, there are options, if we truly care about speeding up point to point travel in-atmosphere.

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