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A new company promises a 5G keyboarded BlackBerry in 2021

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Re: A new company promises a 5G keyboarded BlackBerry in 2021

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What percentage of the market for phones come with physical keyboards? I know some cling to the idea but I think the technology has progressed far enough to mostly eclipse it in every practical way, certain holdouts not withstanding, and the market reflects that.

Do people really like these huge breakable touchscreens that you leave oily fingerprints on, or do they merely tolerate them? It's a damn shame that phones with smaller screens and optical touchpad don't exist any longer.

Re: A new company promises a 5G keyboarded BlackBerry in 2021

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I would be super into a phone with a physical keyboard, but I am on Google Fi and I am hesitant to switch.

I've given up on swipe typing. I have been using it for almost a decade and I still cannot type effectively with it. I am ready to go back to physical keys.

Re: A new company promises a 5G keyboarded BlackBerry in 2021

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What percentage of the market for phones come with physical keyboards? I know some cling to the idea but I think the technology has progressed far enough to mostly eclipse it in every practical way, certain holdouts not withstanding, and the market reflects that.

Even after over a decade to adjust, typing on my old Blackberry's keyboard was just light years better than any touch keyboard I've tried since. Gesture typing, aka "swype," seemed promising at first but has somehow progressively gotten worse since then, to the point where I'm now considering disabling it.

I guess for most people, probably myself included, the tradeoff is still worth it, because most of what we do with our phones benefits more from a larger screen, than it would from a physical keyboard.

But, if I had a job that required me to write messages all the time, I would certainly consider a physical keyboard again. In fact I would even consider carrying a second device with it.

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I don't know if there is a such a term or concept but I would put these companies or products in the same category: Motorola, IBM Thinkpad, Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Fujitsu computers

Lenovo has done a decent job with ThinkPad. I'm running an X1 Carbon and love it.

Eh, they've butchered the T and X series. Aping the Macbooks will be their downfall.

Re: A new company promises a 5G keyboarded BlackBerry in 2021

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What percentage of the market for phones come with physical keyboards? I know some cling to the idea but I think the technology has progressed far enough to mostly eclipse it in every practical way, certain holdouts not withstanding, and the market reflects that.

Do people really like these huge breakable touchscreens that you leave oily fingerprints on, or do they merely tolerate them? It's a damn shame that phones with smaller screens and optical touchpad don't exist any longer.

> Do people really like these huge breakable touchscreens that you leave oily fingerprints on, or do they merely tolerate them?

Yes, people like them, which is why when they and “lets use half the available space for a physical keyboard” phones were on the market together, the latter got slaughtered by the former. Physical keyboard win for tactile feedback (touchscreen haptics aren't even close), but lose in adaptability (can't switch positions or layouts dynamically for different languages/contexts/emojis/gifs/one-handed use/handwriting/etc, usable screen space when the keyboard isn't in use, and, plus, the screen is still breakable but smaller, but now you also have a bunch of breakable mechanical parts.

Re: A new company promises a 5G keyboarded BlackBerry in 2021

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Relatedly I find it amazing that Planet Computers has found a niche and developed multiple cell phones with tiny qwerty keyboards. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/astro-slide-5g-transforme... https://store.planetcom.co.uk/

I just "finished" my first Gemini after using the hell out of it for two years straight until it finally gave up on me - it had missing keycaps, the obligatory cracked screen, dents & scratches for the last few months of its life, but still would not give up on me - until it finally went out few weeks ago.

I tried to do without a keyboard for two days, but I just can't do it, and got myself a new unit from Planet.

I guess I'm an old-skool kind of user, my primary app is termux + openssh for doing my mail and irc remotely, but the keyboard is good enough to do the occasional sysadmin and coding work - and that's not something you'd typically do on a blackberry.

I highly recommend this device. It has its flaws, but it's unike any other device available at this time.

Re: A new company promises a 5G keyboarded BlackBerry in 2021

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What percentage of the market for phones come with physical keyboards? I know some cling to the idea but I think the technology has progressed far enough to mostly eclipse it in every practical way, certain holdouts not withstanding, and the market reflects that.

Even after over a decade to adjust, typing on my old Blackberry's keyboard was just light years better than any touch keyboard I've tried since. Gesture typing, aka "swype," seemed promising at first but has somehow progressively gotten worse since then, to the point where I'm now considering disabling it. I guess for most people, probably myself included, the tradeoff is still worth it, because most of what we do wi…

I miss the days of rattling off detailed email responses with practically zero typos on the physical keyboard, on a touchscreen I'm constantly checking for incorrect Autocorrect replacements. I carried two phones (an Iphone and a blackberry) for about a year before dropping the Blackberry, and I'd had about 10 different Blackberry models over the years.

That said, I don't think going back to physical is worth it anymore, I found that getting a slightly larger touch screen phone made the keyboard just big enough that my typing became sufficiently accurate that I can live with it.

Re: A new company promises a 5G keyboarded BlackBerry in 2021

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What percentage of the market for phones come with physical keyboards? I know some cling to the idea but I think the technology has progressed far enough to mostly eclipse it in every practical way, certain holdouts not withstanding, and the market reflects that.

Do people really like these huge breakable touchscreens that you leave oily fingerprints on, or do they merely tolerate them? It's a damn shame that phones with smaller screens and optical touchpad don't exist any longer.

Glass and screens on modern phones are amazingly durable now. I don't even bother with screen protectors now since under normal usage they're virtually unscratchable.

Re: A new company promises a 5G keyboarded BlackBerry in 2021

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I would be super into a phone with a physical keyboard, but I am on Google Fi and I am hesitant to switch. I've given up on swipe typing. I have been using it for almost a decade and I still cannot type effectively with it. I am ready to go back to physical keys.

I've been really content with my BlackBerry KeyOne and now KeyTwo. I got really tired of trying to type on glass; physical keys just work. I can find them with my fingers instead of my eyes, so there's a lot less ongoing frustration. I will likely try this new BlackBerry whenever my KeyTwo wears out, because the real keyboard makes a big difference.

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Relatedly I find it amazing that Planet Computers has found a niche and developed multiple cell phones with tiny qwerty keyboards. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/astro-slide-5g-transforme... https://store.planetcom.co.uk/

I just "finished" my first Gemini after using the hell out of it for two years straight until it finally gave up on me - it had missing keycaps, the obligatory cracked screen, dents & scratches for the last few months of its life, but still would not give up on me - until it finally went out few weeks ago. I tried to do without a keyboard for two days, but I just can't do it, and got myself a new unit from Planet. I…

How usable do you find the keyboard with a terminal? I had not heard about these before today but I am curious now.

Both the Gemini and the Cosmo look almost perfect as a portable terminal - the only thing I can see missing is usb-c power delivery for docking.

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