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Amazon’s Project Kuiper is more than the company’s response to SpaceX

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Re: Amazon’s Project Kuiper is more than the company’s response to SpaceX

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I feel like this massively overstates the advantages of an AWS to satellite link. They aren’t going to put tiny regions in space, so it’s just about data transit. Nobody would suggest AWS should start a cell phone company or fiber ISP just for bundling that with AWS. IP, possibly with a VPN, is a very solved issue for AWS access. It’s how 100% of their customers use AWS now, after all.

Still... It would be cool to have a 17,000 mph PoP flying over your head at all times for your Serverless apps / edge workers..

https://mobile.twitter.com/harlandduman/status/1277800518010...

Re: Amazon’s Project Kuiper is more than the company’s response to SpaceX

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SpaceX is a private military contractor that gets tax money from citizens. Amazon is a public company that needs to disclose their revenue sources and comes from private/voluntary sources. They aren't even comparable.

Amazon opened an entire data centre to deal with the governemnt

Re: Amazon’s Project Kuiper is more than the company’s response to SpaceX

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"If Kuiper succeeds [...]" That's the biggest if clause you will ever see about this because in order for it to succeed at all BO needs to actually launch something to orbit at least once before we talk about success of a commercial product on top of their rockets. I follow up SpaceX quite closely, I admit, but any news about products that absolutely depend on the launch capability of BO is vaporware at most and most…

They don't have to launch on BO, they can use any launch provider.

I can't imagine SpaceX helping Amazon to create a competing satellite constellation while they are setting up starlink

Re: Amazon’s Project Kuiper is more than the company’s response to SpaceX

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't have to launch on BO, they can use any launch provider.

They won't launch on spacex, for sure. And there literally is no one else offering the capabilities to do it. The article mentions 10 billion dollars. That is only about 50 launches with the "competition" of SpaceX. Ok, you might get a discount, but still you would have to place 20+ satellites into a launch vehicle and have pretty much one launch per month to meet the requirements. "vaporware" sounds about right to m…

Why not? The money is green and if SpaceX is convinced they could still beat a competitor with Starlink might as well make some extra dough?

If Starlink can't beat Kupier they're dead anyway those satellites will go up eventually.

Re: Amazon’s Project Kuiper is more than the company’s response to SpaceX

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't have to launch on BO, they can use any launch provider.

They won't launch on spacex, for sure. And there literally is no one else offering the capabilities to do it. The article mentions 10 billion dollars. That is only about 50 launches with the "competition" of SpaceX. Ok, you might get a discount, but still you would have to place 20+ satellites into a launch vehicle and have pretty much one launch per month to meet the requirements. "vaporware" sounds about right to m…

India and Russia can also provide a much cheaper alternative to ULA.

You assume that Amazon has to use a US launch provider which isn’t the case.

Re: Amazon’s Project Kuiper is more than the company’s response to SpaceX

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't have to launch on BO, they can use any launch provider.

I can't imagine SpaceX helping Amazon to create a competing satellite constellation while they are setting up starlink

Musk has stated that he has no objections to launching OneWeb's constellation. That may or may not also apply to Kuiper.

Re: Amazon’s Project Kuiper is more than the company’s response to SpaceX

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I feel like this massively overstates the advantages of an AWS to satellite link. They aren’t going to put tiny regions in space, so it’s just about data transit. Nobody would suggest AWS should start a cell phone company or fiber ISP just for bundling that with AWS. IP, possibly with a VPN, is a very solved issue for AWS access. It’s how 100% of their customers use AWS now, after all.

Still... It would be cool to have a 17,000 mph PoP flying over your head at all times for your Serverless apps / edge workers.. https://mobile.twitter.com/harlandduman/status/1277800518010...

CEO of Cloudfare replied to stay tuned. NEW Developments must be coming in this space!

Re: Amazon’s Project Kuiper is more than the company’s response to SpaceX

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They won't launch on spacex, for sure. And there literally is no one else offering the capabilities to do it. The article mentions 10 billion dollars. That is only about 50 launches with the "competition" of SpaceX. Ok, you might get a discount, but still you would have to place 20+ satellites into a launch vehicle and have pretty much one launch per month to meet the requirements. "vaporware" sounds about right to m…

Why not? The money is green and if SpaceX is convinced they could still beat a competitor with Starlink might as well make some extra dough? If Starlink can't beat Kupier they're dead anyway those satellites will go up eventually.

> if SpaceX is convinced they could still beat a competitor

That's not really the point though. Amazon is a fierce (and many times dirty) competitor to be up against.

If you're competing directly with AWS then you need to take every advantage you can get. If you're trying to build a global satellite network to provide internet access and not having launch capabilities will delay AWS long enough to get a foothold in the market then you take it.

Re: Amazon’s Project Kuiper is more than the company’s response to SpaceX

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"If Kuiper succeeds [...]" That's the biggest if clause you will ever see about this because in order for it to succeed at all BO needs to actually launch something to orbit at least once before we talk about success of a commercial product on top of their rockets. I follow up SpaceX quite closely, I admit, but any news about products that absolutely depend on the launch capability of BO is vaporware at most and most…

They don't have to launch on BO, they can use any launch provider.

These massive constellations don't make financial sense if you have to throw away your rockets every time. That is, they could launch on another rocket, but they'd easily get beaten by SpaceX/Starlink.
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