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Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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The answer to why this is, I’m beginning to realize after talking to dozens of Googlers working at Google as acquaintances, friends, former coworkers, HN comments and twitter personalities is - Google has an active disrespect if you’re not part of their in group . If you haven’t passed their tests, you’re basically an object of derision - a mark, an object just used for incrementing a CPM metric, or an incompetent, l…

It inherits primarily from the idiotic interview loop, and an entire cottage industry which has grown up around it.

I am reminded of this funny Feynman quote (paraphrasing): "The whole purpose of the existence of the Mensa club was to decide who else was eligible to join the club". Now, in all fairness, this is true of all the big tech companies to varying degrees, but boy does Google Cloud in particular take the cake on this one!

Of course, Big Tech does produce very good products, and at scale, but that is being built by about 10% of their engineers. The rest of them work there just to keep the interview loop as exclusive as possible. :-) After all, otherwise, one of them would have actually solved long runningcustomer problems.

Plus the rest of the world is now coming to an agreement that a lot of Big Tech's growth is coming from a lot of unfair advantages - such as massive data collection before it was understood as a bad thing, ability to lobby local politicians at a much bigger scale, ability to influence regulations that hurt them somewhat but entirely kill the competition (GDPR for example), complete lack of accountability for past malpractices (e.g. Facebook's friendly fraud case, for which no one went to jail) because they are now too powerful to actually be sent to jail.

Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This hasn't been my experience, and I've worked there. There might've been a couple dicks like that but definitely not the norm

A "couple dicks"? It's endemic, dude. You can't be given everything you could ever dream of and _not_ end up like this. By comparison, I have nothing. zilch , for my hard work. Neither do most people working on core tech at AWS. That's why they empathize with their customers (I'm guessing).

It is not endemic. I think you've met a few people you didn't like, read some tweets, and extrapolated poorly. And I don't think people working on GCP are really treated that much better than their counterparts at AWS. The fact that you think the difference in product depreciation policy between them is caused by people getting "everything they could dream of" is funny though

Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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The answer to why this is, I’m beginning to realize after talking to dozens of Googlers working at Google as acquaintances, friends, former coworkers, HN comments and twitter personalities is - Google has an active disrespect if you’re not part of their in group . If you haven’t passed their tests, you’re basically an object of derision - a mark, an object just used for incrementing a CPM metric, or an incompetent, l…

(warning rambling rant)

I feel like this was super true in the pre Facebook days but they were humbled A LOT by the massive flop of Google plus.

I honestly don't feel like I get the my s * doesn't stink vibe from them anymore.

Especially because everyone knows their Achilles heel now.

But for their ad revenue what would they be?

Everything else material from came from an acquisition or is infra stuff.

It's cool but they also had to learn the hard lesson of Hadoop too.

Yeah they built big table... But the rest of the industry standardized on Hadoop (at the time) because they never released an implementation and so they started losing out on good hires because they didn't want to get locked into proprietary Google infra.

I think you see them recognizing this with intiatives like all of the stuff around kubernetes.

But hey I wouldn't build anything on their (non open) stuff and get more scared by the day over my dependence on El Goog because they've shown time an again how little they care for us common plebs.

But I feel like they get better when they lose but they've only started losing more recently

(Rant over)

Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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I used to work with Steve. He’s a good story teller. But a story teller tells good stories by having a fairly casual relationship with facts and the truth.

For example, emacs lisp suffers from bitrot. Some core things haven’t changed in forever but also you can’t pick up elisp config from 15 years ago and it’s fine today.

All live systems evolve and change. In this case emacs is just so slow that Steve thinks that it doesn’t.

Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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“ it’s well-known that they refuse to host (as a managed service) any third-party software until after AWS has already done the same thing and built a successful business around it, at which point their customers hold them at gunpoint. But that’s the bar, to get Google to support something.”

This isn’t true, of course. They supported managed Kafka before AWS did: https://cloud.google.com/confluent

Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A "couple dicks"? It's endemic, dude. You can't be given everything you could ever dream of and _not_ end up like this. By comparison, I have nothing. zilch , for my hard work. Neither do most people working on core tech at AWS. That's why they empathize with their customers (I'm guessing).

It is not endemic. I think you've met a few people you didn't like, read some tweets, and extrapolated poorly. And I don't think people working on GCP are really treated that much better than their counterparts at AWS. The fact that you think the difference in product depreciation policy between them is caused by people getting "everything they could dream of" is funny though

Trips to Europe or to random conferences in first class? Trips to _any office_ for "face time"? Massages? Bonuses of any sort, including peer bonuses and holiday gifts? Refreshers? Society thinking that you're "smart" for passing the loop? You're rewarded just for being alive at Google, but I get nothing but scorn and condescension.

Fun fact for you - if I get promoted this year at Amazon to L5, I'll _still_ make less than a new grad at Google. It's extremely depressing to the extent that I can't get out of bed in the morning, but I'd wager that inferiority complex probably helps on the product side to empathize with customers.

Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This hasn't been my experience, and I've worked there. There might've been a couple dicks like that but definitely not the norm

A "couple dicks"? It's endemic, dude. You can't be given everything you could ever dream of and _not_ end up like this. By comparison, I have nothing. zilch , for my hard work. Neither do most people working on core tech at AWS. That's why they empathize with their customers (I'm guessing).

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