English language version: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/
Why is the Icelandic version missing the top part of the page though?
The Mozilla Manifesto
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Re: The Mozilla Manifesto
#12Does Mozilla even follow their own Manifesto? > Individuals’ security and privacy on the Internet are fundamental and must not be treated as optional. So having Google as the default search engine is the right approach for privacy? > Free and open source software promotes the development of the Internet as a public resource. We are still waiting for Pocket's server source code... > Magnifying the public benefit aspec…
> So having Google as the default search engine is the right approach for privacy?
This and the fact that they signed the deal with Google again makes me lose faith in Mozilla, caring about privacy yet making deals with the devil that is killing them.
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#13Does Mozilla even follow their own Manifesto? > Individuals’ security and privacy on the Internet are fundamental and must not be treated as optional. So having Google as the default search engine is the right approach for privacy? > Free and open source software promotes the development of the Internet as a public resource. We are still waiting for Pocket's server source code... > Magnifying the public benefit aspec…
> Magnifying the public benefit aspects of the Internet is an important goal
Basically "promoting good things is good."
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#14Has the op posted the Icelandic version to get it here as a new post and to make a point?
Look, I’m saddened by the layoffs too. And I’m very sad the dev tools and servo teams teams in particular have been hit. And I would like to know why.
Yet there are still 750 mozilla employees. The servo stuff was merged into ff already. I’m not saying it’s good that they’ve scaled down their R&D but the narrative that the C-suite have laid everyone off so they can drink more champagne on one more yacht gets tiring and obscures reasoned discussion about the lay offs.
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#15Does Mozilla even follow their own Manifesto? > Individuals’ security and privacy on the Internet are fundamental and must not be treated as optional. So having Google as the default search engine is the right approach for privacy? > Free and open source software promotes the development of the Internet as a public resource. We are still waiting for Pocket's server source code... > Magnifying the public benefit aspec…
> So having Google as the default search engine is the right approach for privacy? This and the fact that they signed the deal with Google again makes me lose faith in Mozilla, caring about privacy yet making deals with the devil that is killing them.
I don't like it. I'd rather they moved to DDG. But if I let myself be an optimist for a short while, I can understand the compromise in order to establish a runway while they build up more ethical sources of income.
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#16Has the op posted the Icelandic version to get it here as a new post and to make a point? Look, I’m saddened by the layoffs too. And I’m very sad the dev tools and servo teams teams in particular have been hit. And I would like to know why. Yet there are still 750 mozilla employees. The servo stuff was merged into ff already. I’m not saying it’s good that they’ve scaled down their R&D but the narrative that the C-sui…
> The servo stuff was merged into ff already.
Really? The project was done? That is at odds to what nearly every person I follow involved with the project has had to say recently.
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#17Does Mozilla even follow their own Manifesto? > Individuals’ security and privacy on the Internet are fundamental and must not be treated as optional. So having Google as the default search engine is the right approach for privacy? > Free and open source software promotes the development of the Internet as a public resource. We are still waiting for Pocket's server source code... > Magnifying the public benefit aspec…
> So having Google as the default search engine is the right approach for privacy?
That's not their entire approach to privacy.
How would you have them exist? There aren't enough people willing to pay for a web browser in 2020. There aren't enough unpaid volunteers to work for free and outcompete Chrome.
What would you have Mozilla do? They're trying to develop other services that can actually make them money so they don't need Google's money to exist, and people here are shitting on them left and right for this.
Could Mozilla be managed better? Yes of course. Is there some obvious grand strategy that would save them if only they didn't miss it? No, I don't think so. "Just focus on the browser", say people who haven't paid for a browser since Opera, if ever. Ha.
Mozilla are not in a good strategic position. Public trust and technical expertise are the only major assets they have, and those are not directly monetizable to the tune of $100M. I do hope very much that they figure out how to leverage these assets into more neutral, more grassroots profit streams before the next renewal of google's deal. But let's not demonize them unnecessarily, they have it hard enough as it is.
In web technologies they're the last ones on "our side", pretty much.
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#18Sigh. Looks like Mozilla management hasn’t been able to sense the zeitgeist, after their latest downsizing, so let me spell it out for them: Dear Moz://a management: Everyone is already on board with your ideals of open Internet. What you need to do is get your house in order and focus on your core competency i.e. the web browser and related tooling. You won’t get a seat at the table of Internet biggies if you’re a h…
> Everyone is already on board with your ideals of open Internet. I don't think that's the case. Increasingly content is being placed in walled gardens which you don't get full access to that content unless you have an account. Google is still pushing AMP. Chrome is becoming the new IE, and sites that 'work best' or only work with Chrome are not uncommon. Those (and many other) factors don't indicate to me that every…
I think most people can (and do) agree with these ideals stated in the abstract, but still do things that violate them in their jobs / real life because of practical considerations such as pursuing a profit.
Not unlike how most people understand the dangers of climate change, but continue to drive cars, fly, use air conditioning etc.
Or, stated another way, we are all hypocrites to some extent.
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#19Has the op posted the Icelandic version to get it here as a new post and to make a point? Look, I’m saddened by the layoffs too. And I’m very sad the dev tools and servo teams teams in particular have been hit. And I would like to know why. Yet there are still 750 mozilla employees. The servo stuff was merged into ff already. I’m not saying it’s good that they’ve scaled down their R&D but the narrative that the C-sui…
To me, this manifesto is just empty platitudes.
+ We support privacy
- Yet get millions from Google to keep their search engine default.
+ We believe in transparent community based decisions
- Which is why we gutted several community darlings (Devtools, Servo, Wasmtime, MDN)
And in that case why should I use a knock-off, if I can have the real thing for free? Google controls the code, whatever tracking/control they build in is going to be hard to remove without a fork. A Fork Mozilla won't be able to afford.
No amount of writing manifestos is going to change that fact.
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#20Has the op posted the Icelandic version to get it here as a new post and to make a point? Look, I’m saddened by the layoffs too. And I’m very sad the dev tools and servo teams teams in particular have been hit. And I would like to know why. Yet there are still 750 mozilla employees. The servo stuff was merged into ff already. I’m not saying it’s good that they’ve scaled down their R&D but the narrative that the C-sui…
> The servo stuff was merged into ff already. Really? The project was done? That is at odds to what nearly every person I follow involved with the project has had to say recently.
It's not. Just look at outstanding issues in Servo.
https://github.com/servo/servo
What Mozilla did was move few stable components to FireFox and shitcanned the rest.