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Bill Gates advocates for stopping end-to-end encryption

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Re: Bill Gates advocates for stopping end-to-end encryption

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Post by snarf21 »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #6

He didn't outright advocate for it from the interview that I believe motivated this article, but he did pretty strongly imply that end-to-end encryption facilitates crime and shouldn't be allowed: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/28/bill-gates-lies-spread-faste... >“Some of the messages on their platform, they don’t even see because of the encryption on WhatsApp,” Gates said. “In order to not have any responsibility, the…

This is very disappointing. My response for people on this side is this: Great, hand me your unlocked phone. I promise not to share anything with anyone else.

Re: Bill Gates advocates for stopping end-to-end encryption

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Post by DaniloDias »

Bill Gates’ narcissism is really on display lately.

There is something in his interviews that suggest the guy cannot see where anyone can reasonably disagree with him on anything. He lumps everyone who disagrees with him into camps of crazies in an extraordinarily uncharitable way. Combine this fact with the public, 20 year lie that he is giving away his fortune, it’s time for him to step down from public life.

He is damaging arguments that are good by attaching his reputation to them.

Re: Bill Gates advocates for stopping end-to-end encryption

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Post by sequence7 »

crmrc114 wrote: post #5
nikhizzle wrote: post #4

Is this real news? I see no mentions of primary sources, and when I do a google search I find some much older articles with much more context and nuance. I’m not sure I believe this in any way. It is taking quotes out of context, and creating an exaggeration.

So clicking the wired link in the post then doing ctrl+f I found where they are getting this from https://www.wired.com/story/bill-gates-on-covid-most-us-test... I think wired is generally not out there trying to libel people. I am honesty curious why Gates has been out of the public sphere for over ten years but is suddenly out there shilling against crypto for 'the children'.

I had a look at that article but I couldn't find where in that article he is "shilling against crypto for 'the children'". Can you share a quote?

Re: Bill Gates advocates for stopping end-to-end encryption

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Post by ACS_Solver »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #6

He didn't outright advocate for it from the interview that I believe motivated this article, but he did pretty strongly imply that end-to-end encryption facilitates crime and shouldn't be allowed: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/28/bill-gates-lies-spread-faste... >“Some of the messages on their platform, they don’t even see because of the encryption on WhatsApp,” Gates said. “In order to not have any responsibility, the…

That's not how I read it. The quote is Gates talking about Facebook. My interpretation isn't that he's saying E2EE is bad, but rather he's saying that E2EE is a convenient way for Facebook to avoid/deny responsibility for things being spread through parts of the platform that they own.

Re: Bill Gates advocates for stopping end-to-end encryption

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Post by toyg »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #6

He didn't outright advocate for it from the interview that I believe motivated this article, but he did pretty strongly imply that end-to-end encryption facilitates crime and shouldn't be allowed: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/28/bill-gates-lies-spread-faste... >“Some of the messages on their platform, they don’t even see because of the encryption on WhatsApp,” Gates said. “In order to not have any responsibility, the…

His position doesn't seem to be a blanket "e2e should be banned", but rather that social networks have a responsibility to police discourse on their platforms and they've used e2e as a mean to avoid that responsibility.

I personally think it's a red herring - even where there is no e2e, like on regular FB, it's extremely difficult to police user-generated content and fake news (a category that arguably includes TFA). This is just trying to whip up a storm against Gates.

Re: Bill Gates advocates for stopping end-to-end encryption

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Post by coldcode »

ACS_Solver wrote: post #14
CryptoPunk wrote: post #6

He didn't outright advocate for it from the interview that I believe motivated this article, but he did pretty strongly imply that end-to-end encryption facilitates crime and shouldn't be allowed: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/28/bill-gates-lies-spread-faste... >“Some of the messages on their platform, they don’t even see because of the encryption on WhatsApp,” Gates said. “In order to not have any responsibility, the…

That's not how I read it. The quote is Gates talking about Facebook. My interpretation isn't that he's saying E2EE is bad, but rather he's saying that E2EE is a convenient way for Facebook to avoid/deny responsibility for things being spread through parts of the platform that they own.

Exactly right. This is not a story but blowing a quote out of context into something that it is not.

Re: Bill Gates advocates for stopping end-to-end encryption

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Post by victords »

crmrc114 wrote: post #5
nikhizzle wrote: post #4

Is this real news? I see no mentions of primary sources, and when I do a google search I find some much older articles with much more context and nuance. I’m not sure I believe this in any way. It is taking quotes out of context, and creating an exaggeration.

So clicking the wired link in the post then doing ctrl+f I found where they are getting this from https://www.wired.com/story/bill-gates-on-covid-most-us-test... I think wired is generally not out there trying to libel people. I am honesty curious why Gates has been out of the public sphere for over ten years but is suddenly out there shilling against crypto for 'the children'.

He's not been really out of the public sphere.

He has always been involved in a number of social issues through his foundation and have been very vocal/public about them.

Maybe we're just hearing a bit more about him and his thoughts because he's involved in looking for a way out of Covid through his foundation, and has famously 'predicted' something like this.

Re: Bill Gates advocates for stopping end-to-end encryption

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Post by toyg »

nikhizzle wrote: post #4

Is this real news? I see no mentions of primary sources, and when I do a google search I find some much older articles with much more context and nuance. I’m not sure I believe this in any way. It is taking quotes out of context, and creating an exaggeration.

I agree that this piece makes me file reclaimthenet.org under "fake-news spreading". I'm no Gates fan but I've rarely seen so much vitriol in so little space.
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