"I don't like Trump, so I will side with Tik Tok"
Whether you should side with Tik Tok or not, the above statement applies to a massive percentage of people who don't agree with the Tik Tok ban. This is dangerous thinking
TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban
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#12Discovery in this should be fun on both sides.
Yes. It is no surprise that they sue, but maybe that was a mistake. Because depending on the result, it might get TikTok banned in the EU as well. Or the result is that indeed their operation is 100% independent of their Chinese parent company and no US data ever touches mainland China... which would surprise me.
Honest question: would it matter if they stored data in mainland china? Wouldn't it still be fine if they are storing data there but not giving it to china gov? (Not that i really believe that any data in china is safe from gov, although i could say the same about usa, but what is the actual bar that the us gov has to meet to show its a national security risk? Is data on china soil sufficient?)
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#13While I think TikTok is a cesspool, Trump banning TikTok is a wild overextension of Federal power. How any "small gov't" conservative is okay with this, while over 1000 Americans are dying of COVID per day nonetheless, is beyond me. They need to educate Americans on the predatory nature of TikToks software and move along.
Looks like protectionism to me, something Trump has been keen on. I got the impression it was done to make it cheaper for an American acquisition, ensuring US companies continuing dominance over social media.
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#14While I think TikTok is a cesspool, Trump banning TikTok is a wild overextension of Federal power. How any "small gov't" conservative is okay with this, while over 1000 Americans are dying of COVID per day nonetheless, is beyond me. They need to educate Americans on the predatory nature of TikToks software and move along.
> While I think TikTok is a cesspool
Is that referring to the content or the company itself? I don't see how it's any more of a cesspool than any other social platform. Twitter? Facebook? Reddit? Every sufficiently large platform is filled with a very wide range of content, from great to awful.
As a company, I do agree they have shady practices, but again, don't most other social media apps such as Facebook and the gang use similar tracking and data collection? Of course that's a low bar to compare to but I don't see why they're being singled out here.
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#15Why is congress not involved if it's so important? Should the president really have this power?
> If Congress believes the president has used the emergency economic powers unjustly, lawmakers can overrule the order by passing a resolution that would terminate the order. > But any pushback from Congress is unlikely, as the skepticism about the Chinese Communist Party's potential ties to the country's technology companies has gathered bipartisan support.
It's not like congress will strike down the order because it's unjustly and then propose some new legislation which bans TikTok, it's good for everyone there to be able to blame Trump even if it has bipartisan backing.
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#16This ban is clearly a distraction by the white house to take attention away from actual national security matters, specifically the foreign hacking of elections. It's absurd that this is a priority but protecting our electoral process is not. Only fools would believe a social network like this is a real threat.
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#17While I think TikTok is a cesspool, Trump banning TikTok is a wild overextension of Federal power. How any "small gov't" conservative is okay with this, while over 1000 Americans are dying of COVID per day nonetheless, is beyond me. They need to educate Americans on the predatory nature of TikToks software and move along.
I dislike Trump (not as much as I disliked Bush, because I knew a lot of guys like Bush so I had something to focus my dislike on, and I don't know anyone like Trump)
I'm not American but I did live there a long time.
I agree the ban is some crazy stuff but:
>How any "small gov't" conservative is okay with this, while over 1000 Americans are dying of COVID per day nonetheless, is beyond me.
How is it the ban relates to people dying of Covid?
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. It is no surprise that they sue, but maybe that was a mistake. Because depending on the result, it might get TikTok banned in the EU as well. Or the result is that indeed their operation is 100% independent of their Chinese parent company and no US data ever touches mainland China... which would surprise me.
Honest question: would it matter if they stored data in mainland china? Wouldn't it still be fine if they are storing data there but not giving it to china gov? (Not that i really believe that any data in china is safe from gov, although i could say the same about usa, but what is the actual bar that the us gov has to meet to show its a national security risk? Is data on china soil sufficient?)
> Wouldn't it still be fine if they are storing data there but not giving it to china gov?
That situation does not exist. Chinese law basically means that any data held in China can be accessed by the government at any time.
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#20Why is congress not involved if it's so important? Should the president really have this power?
> Should the president really have this power?
He once again imposed tariffs on Canada using the whole "national security" excuse. It seems like he can do quite a lot using that excuse...